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[omahen]

So,This got me thinking:

Atl in Kleber, Wood ($9-11M starting), 3 SRPs
Tor in Hardy, Green, McGee, THJ, 28 pick swap
Dal in Siakam, Capela

Kyrie/Luka/GWill/Siakam/Capela
Exum/Curry/vet min/OMax/Holmes

Would need lots of vet min salary after the trade, but we would have an amazing starting 5. No real POA defender, but the collapse and rim protection would be amazing.

I agree, that would be awesome. But, only a couple of weeks ago no one even thought of a possibility of Siakam with one FRP, now you want Capela and Siakam with one FRP  I doubt Atlanta would help us with Capela if we "steal" Siakam from them

[ItsGoTime]

I agree, that would be awesome. But, only a couple of weeks ago no one even thought of a possibility of Siakam with one FRP, now you want Capela and Siakam with one FRP  I doubt Atlanta would help us with Capela if we "steal" Siakam from them

Couple weeks ago no one wanted to put Hardy in the trade either (I’m sure the sentiment is still the same). Wood and Maxi is a great consolation prize!

[HoosierDaddyKid]

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Eugene Omoruyi signs two-year deal with Wizards. Pure hustle guy.

[omahen]

Couple weeks ago no one wanted to put Hardy in the trade either (I’m sure the sentiment is still the same). Wood and Maxi is a great consolation prize!

I never had a problem putting Hardy in a right deal. I think Siakam is a right deal. He is really an excellent fit next to Luka, imho.

As nice as they look, Hardy and Green are still just an idea of what they can become. We all hope this idea will come true, but it hasn't yet. It is also possible it never will.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

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[Jym]

I never had a problem putting Hardy in a right deal. I think Siakam is a right deal. He is really an excellent fit next to Luka, imho.

As nice as they look, Hardy and Green are still just an idea of what they can become. We all hope this idea will come true, but it hasn't yet. It is also possible it never will.

Yeah talent for talent, that deal doesn't bother at all if we could pull it off. Just more the money side would worry me. The apron rules are no joke

[MarkAguirreWrathofGod]

Yeah talent for talent, that deal doesn't bother at all if we could pull it off. Just more the money side would worry me. The apron rules are no joke

This exactly. We would have zero depth. You need low cost productive players more than ever in this CBA. Even after we extend Green he will be making like one third of what Siakam will get. I’d rather use our picks to go get another wing at the deadline or next summer. By then we will have a better idea of what we have with O-Max. And Lively for that matter. 

I’m repeating myself here, but I would be holding back my assets to see: what growth comes from our young core of Lively, Omax, Green and Hardy. And to see if a true superstar shakes free in the next year. Namely Embiid, who has good relations with Luka and Kyrie.

[omahen]

Yeah talent for talent, that deal doesn't bother at all if we could pull it off. Just more the money side would worry me. The apron rules are no joke

I find this apron thing interesting. Do you really have a signal that teams worry a lot about it? Was the offseason any different than previous ones?

We saw the biggest spenders dump some of their contracts instead to just continue spending more and more. GSW dumped Poole for expiring CP3. Clippers didn't use their option on Gordon letting him walk. Other than that we still saw a bunch of "he really got that much money" contracts all over the league. Many teams are desperate to contend and many teams feel like they are very close, since there really isn't any credible multistar superteam (yeah, I don't buy Phoenix experiment). Jerami Grant, Draymond Green, Brooks, FVV, Stewart, Strus and more all got huge contracts, imho. Bane got max contract. Sabonis got max money, despite being exposed big time in playoffs (really not a fan of that deal). KP got 60 mil for two more years. It surely doesn't signal me as the league turned to a bunch of penny pinchers worrying about their cap situation.

As for Mavs. Asuming cap will rise with similar dynamics as the salaries do. Even if Siakam gets his max deal (assuming 45 mil), Mavs would have 125 mil tied into their top 3 players, leaving a bit over 45 mil for rest of roster to stay under apron 1. Maxi, GWill and Lively take 30 mil of that. So Mavs would have 15 mil to play with for remaining 9 players. Yeah, it would be tight  But possible.

[Jym]

I find this apron thing interesting. Do you really have a signal that teams worry a lot about it? Was the offseason any different than previous ones?

We saw the biggest spenders dump some of their contracts instead to just continue spending more and more. GSW dumped Poole for expiring CP3. Clippers didn't use their option on Gordon letting him walk. Other than that we still saw a bunch of "he really got that much money" contracts all over the league. Many teams are desperate to contend and many teams feel like they are very close, since there really isn't any credible multistar superteam (yeah, I don't buy Phoenix experiment). Jerami Grant, Draymond Green, Brooks, FVV, Stewart, Strus and more all got huge contracts, imho. Bane got max contract. Sabonis got max money, despite being exposed big time in playoffs (really not a fan of that deal). KP got 60 mil for two more years. It surely doesn't signal me as the league turned to a bunch of penny pinchers worrying about their cap situation.

As for Mavs. Asuming cap will rise with similar dynamics as the salaries do. Even if Siakam gets his max deal (assuming 45 mil), Mavs would have 125 mil tied into their top 3 players, leaving a bit over 45 mil for rest of roster to stay under apron 1. Maxi, GWill and Lively take 30 mil of that. So Mavs would have 15 mil to play with for remaining 9 players. Yeah, it would be tight  But possible.

The Suns are certainly flying in without any regard for it.
They have just a hair over $200 million locked up into 4 guys in 2025-26

[F Gump]

Working with the premise on Capela/ATL deal:
1- Capela makes too much to be a backup and acquiring team must view him as a clear starter
2- Acquiring team must be able to take on a few million net in this trade (both other teams want less $ back)
3- Acquiring team must send out a non-center contract (Toronto doesn’t want a big)

All these teams have better situations and make no sense: BOS, MIL, PHI, CLE, BKN, TOR, MIA, CHI, iND, ORL, DET, DEN, SAC, MIN, OKC, UTA

WAS and POR entering rebuild and stripping it down. CHA has big problems next offseason with the QO guys. LAL doesn’t have the matching piece or ability to take on more. MEM and GSW have already made moves and would have a hard time pulling this off. LAC is focused on Harden. NOP and PHX are in a bad place financially and can’t make it happen

HOU - past ties
SAS - they want Wemby at the 4
NYK - maybe they see this as an upgrade?
DAL

That’s about it. You’ve got to think his agent is trying to get him to Dallas. It makes far more sense for him than any situation in the league

Thanks for that information. I have working from the mindset that the Mavs have to be one of the few ways (and perhaps the only one) for ATL to off-load Capela, but I didn't want to take the time to go through all the teams one by one and analyze their situation, and this fills in those blanks. Much appreciated!

This is certainly something Nico/Lindsey must know, and it indicates they should be negotiating from a position of strength.

[F Gump]

So,This got me thinking:

Atl in Kleber, Wood ($9-11M starting), 3 SRPs
Tor in Hardy, Green, McGee, THJ, 28 pick swap
Dal in Siakam, Capela

Kyrie/Luka/GWill/Siakam/Capela
Exum/Curry/vet min/OMax/Holmes

Would need lots of vet min salary after the trade, but we would have an amazing starting 5. No real POA defender, but the collapse and rim protection would be amazing.

Not a legal trade for DAL -- in fact, not even close. The hard cap says hello.

[ItsGoTime]

Not a legal trade for DAL -- in fact, not even close. The hard cap says hello.

Ya, I figured that out after the fact. It needs Holmes instead of Wood.

[omahen]

Thanks for that information. I have working from the mindset that the Mavs have to be one of the few ways (and perhaps the only one) for ATL to off-load Capela, but I didn't want to take the time to go through all the teams one by one and analyze their situation, and this fills in those blanks. Much appreciated!

This is certainly something Nico/Lindsey must know, and it indicates they should be negotiating from a position of strength.

You always negotiate from position of strength

I find it interesting, because where I come from, the most important thing is to get the deal done. The opportunity cost of not doing it is valued highly and outweights what could be considered as slight overpay. In my experience, negotiating from position of strength often leads to "no deal" conclusion. Of course there are limits. Not saying, which style is right or wrong, just making an observation. 

As for teams needing center. Charlotte is still relying on their rookie centers and could use a vet center. But probably not willing to pay for one. OKC is in a similar situation. They basically only have Holmgren at C, and he is not in the worlds strongest men category. They have a bunch of young players and who knows who Toronto could find interesting. So yeah, I could agree, there is not much Capela interest around the league. However, whole league knows how bad Mavs are at center. Which gives them an option to negotiate from position of strength

[F Gump]

Ya, I figured that out after the fact. It needs Holmes instead of Wood.

That's closer, but for reference purposes, it still lands them about 2M over the hard cap, and I don't see any other answer to make that Siakam-Capela deal possible.

The Mavs sit right now with about 11.5M in room under that hard cap line. The incoming/outgoing numbers are only about 5.5M apart, but it's a 6-for-2 trade, and each emptied slot costs 2M to re-fill (with no workaround). And because so much of the roster is on new deals and CAN'T be traded, there's literally no one else you can add except Luka.

[omahen]

Ya, I figured that out after the fact. It needs Holmes instead of Wood.

Atlanta still has TE from Collins deal, so you could do it in two separate deals. I doubt anyone wants Holmes money, though. More and more I am affraid, Mavs paid quite a costly price for that #24 pick, if they don't intend to really use Holmes. 12 mil of dead money on the roster is not neglectable. Hopefully they can use his expiring contract next season.

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For teams needing center - there is always Detroit. They seem to be collecting all the centers in the world for several seasons now

[SleepingHero]

Atlanta still has TE from Collins deal, so you could do it in two separate deals. I doubt anyone wants Holmes money, though. More and more I am affraid, Mavs paid quite a costly price for that #24 pick, if they don't intend to really use Holmes. 12 mil of dead money on the roster is not neglectable. Hopefully they can use his expiring contract next season.

I guess the better way of looking at it was the team already had 17 million of dead money on the roster in Bertans. 

So the Mavs found a way to shed 5 mil of that and got a FRP in the process.

[F Gump]

Atlanta still has TE from Collins deal, so you could do it in two separate deals. 

The problem is DAL's hard cap (limit on total payroll), not the mechanics of the salary match to move players from one team to another. Mavs would be sending out every player they can send except Luka, and it's still not enough outgoing salary for hard cap purposes.

[omahen]

The problem is DAL's hard cap (limit on total payroll), not the mechanics of the salary match to move players from one team to another. Mavs would be sending out every player they can send except Luka, and it's still not enough outgoing salary for hard cap purposes.

Yeah, I wrote it before you said that Holmes also doesn't work

[SleepingHero]

https://twitter.com/ATLHawks/status/1679...16064?s=20

Atlanta Hawks (@ATLHawks)
We have acquired guard Patty Mills from the Oklahoma City Thunder, in exchange for guard TyTy Washington Jr., forwards Usman Garuba and Rudy Gay, and a future second-round pick.

Patty Mills deal is finalized. He can't be aggregated until September.


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Also Grant Williams took to Instagram to post him signing his new contract, does this mean the SnT is complete?

[omahen]

I guess the better way of looking at it was the team already had 17 million of dead money on the roster in Bertans. 

So the Mavs found a way to shed 5 mil of that and got a FRP in the process.

These are actually two different deals, and I am not sure you can look at it this way. They dumped Bertans for going from 10 to 12. From there on it is a question of how to utilize the TE and this was only one of possibilities. I am glad they actually did something with it. The only problem I have is, that it seems Holmes 12 mil will be clogging Mavs roster for 2 years, since they are still looking for a starting center. And they still have the overpaid McGee for two more years. All on same position.