Trade & FA 2023-24: Sexton On the Market? | ORL Likes Hartenstein?

[SleepingHero]

I'm trading Zion way before I'm trading Ingram.

If you're trading Ingram, you might as well start over/rebuild.

Ingram also hasn't exactly been a pinnacle of reliability since he's gotten to the Pelicans. Hasn't had a season above 62 games, and the last 2 seasons have been 55 and 45 respectively. 

Of course the Pelicans aren't going to nuke their entire team and trade off Ingram+Zion+CJ and start over, but one has to wonder the reasons why they're so keen on moving up to draft a new franchise cornerstone when they already have 2.

[F Gump]

There is talk that NO might dangle Zion (or Ingram) in trying to get the pick to draft Scoot.

If you are CHA or POR, and Zion is the bait, what are you offering to land him? It has to start with your 2023 pick, but then what? The salary to match on Zion is about 33M in 2023-24 salary. (The nature of his contract, with a massive raise looming in July, would probably lead to it being a delayed trade executed after July 1).

[Chicagojk]

There is talk that NO might dangle Zion (or Ingram) in trying to get the pick to draft Scoot.

If you are CHA or POR, and Zion is the bait, what are you offering to land him? It has to start with your 2023 pick, but then what? The salary to match on Zion is about 33M in 2023-24 salary. (The nature of his contract, with a massive raise looming in July, would probably lead to it being a delayed trade executed after July 1).

It is interesting.    Zion obviously has injury and long term availability concerns.   But if I was Portland I would jump at a Zion offer.   #3 if Scoot is still there is a real good starting point.    Not sure what else is needed. 

But a healthy Zion with Dame is a great starting point.  I am really high on Sharpe too.   That could be a really good team.   Big if though.  

I think Charlotte should jump at that as well.   It is a major concern with Zion's health but you very rarely get a chance at that type of talent at that age often.

If the Mavs lucked out and got the second pick, I would be all over this....risks and all.  I wouldn't even care if we signed Kyrie after.

[MaxiThreeba]

It is interesting.    Zion obviously has injury and long term availability concerns.   But if I was Portland I would jump at a Zion offer.   #3 if Scoot is still there is a real good starting point.    Not sure what else is needed. 

But a healthy Zion with Dame is a great starting point.  I am really high on Sharpe too.   That could be a really good team.   Big if though.  

I think Charlotte should jump at that as well.   It is a major concern with Zion's health but you very rarely get a chance at that type of talent at that age often.

If the Mavs lucked out and got the second pick, I would be all over this....risks and all.  I wouldn't even care if we signed Kyrie after.

Charlotte would be a return to the Carolinas for Zion too.  They would eat that up.  LaMelo and Zion are probably the two most viral HS talents since that became a thing.  

Hornets could easily match the salary with expiring Hayward.  

I think you could build a deal around Hayward and #2 for Zion and NBA marketing would salivate over LaMelo oops to Zion...whether the Hornets sucked or not.

[Scott41theMavs]

If the Mavs lucked out and got the second pick, I would be all over this....risks and all.  I wouldn't even care if we signed Kyrie after.

Well, that makes one of us. 

Zion's quite the talent, but he makes KP look like pre-elbow AC Green.

[JamesConway912]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/16690...72256?s=46&t=-bN4oD2OLU_Ue80HIM_CZQ

[DanSchwartzgan]

So my trade would be 10/Bertans for 16/28 + KO.

This is such a no brainer, I almost assume it is the starting point of the offseason.

What if we combine this with the ESPN thing with Detroit that everyone hated.  #10/THJ for #31/Bojan is kind of ridiculous.  But sometimes people like Givoney know part of the story but not the entire story.  

My preference would be THJ/#28 for Bojan (so Dallas would have 16)

The less favorable version would be THJ/#16 for Bojan/#31 (so Dallas would have 28 and 31)

I realize Bojan/Olynyk/lower pick isn't most people's idea of a good time.  But, maybe we have to look at this as a two step process.  Olynyk is expiring.  Bojan in only guaranteed $2mm in 24/25.  By next summer we'd have a path to sizeable cap space if we want it and/or the ability to trade multiple picks (presumably).  

Bojan/Olynyk are certainly better than THJ/Bertans in the short run.  If the price is moving down from 10 to 16 (Lively) and it gives us a better shot at big things in 24, then I could live with it.  If we end up with 28/31 instead of 16, then Nico better have two more Hardy's hiding somewhere on his draft board.

[Scott41theMavs]

This is such a no brainer, I almost assume it is the starting point of the offseason.

What if we combine this with the ESPN thing with Detroit that everyone hated.  #10/THJ for #31/Bojan is kind of ridiculous.  But sometimes people like Givoney know part of the story but not the entire story.  

My preference would be THJ/#28 for Bojan (so Dallas would have 16)

The less favorable version would be THJ/#16 for Bojan/#31 (so Dallas would have 28 and 31)

I realize Bojan/Olynyk/lower pick isn't most people's idea of a good time.  But, maybe we have to look at this as a two step process.  Olynyk is expiring.  Bojan in only guaranteed $2mm in 24/25.  By next summer we'd have a path to sizeable cap space if we want it and/or the ability to trade multiple picks (presumably).  

Bojan/Olynyk are certainly better than THJ/Bertans in the short run.  If the price is moving down from 10 to 16 (Lively) and it gives us a better shot at big things in 24, then I could live with it.  If we end up with 28/31 instead of 16, then Nico better have two more Hardy's hiding somewhere on his draft board.

Considering how many rumors there are of teams targeting Lively in the early teens, I think there's about as much chance of him being available at 16 as there is of Cam Whitmore being available at 10, tbh.

[DanSchwartzgan]

Considering how many rumors there are of teams targeting Lively in the early teens, I think there's about as much chance of him being available at 16 as there is of Cam Whitmore being available at 10, tbh.

I'm not particularly sold that it has to be Lively.  If the Consensus 9 are gone by 9, I don't see a vast difference between 10 and 16.  We'd get someone good there.  My preference would be a bigger player who covers a different type of player than Green covers, but he doesn't have to be a center.

[Jason Terry]

This is such a no brainer, I almost assume it is the starting point of the offseason.

What if we combine this with the ESPN thing with Detroit that everyone hated.  #10/THJ for #31/Bojan is kind of ridiculous.  But sometimes people like Givoney know part of the story but not the entire story.  

My preference would be THJ/#28 for Bojan (so Dallas would have 16)

The less favorable version would be THJ/#16 for Bojan/#31 (so Dallas would have 28 and 31)

I realize Bojan/Olynyk/lower pick isn't most people's idea of a good time.  But, maybe we have to look at this as a two step process.  Olynyk is expiring.  Bojan in only guaranteed $2mm in 24/25.  By next summer we'd have a path to sizeable cap space if we want it and/or the ability to trade multiple picks (presumably).  

Bojan/Olynyk are certainly better than THJ/Bertans in the short run.  If the price is moving down from 10 to 16 (Lively) and it gives us a better shot at big things in 24, then I could live with it.  If we end up with 28/31 instead of 16, then Nico better have two more Hardy's hiding somewhere on his draft board.

Yes. To piggyback on the Beal rumors, I’m looking at Gafford and Kuzma. If the new Wiz FO blows it up. 

Mavs: Gafford, Olynk, 28

Jazz: Bertans, 10

Wiz: Mcgee, 16

[DanSchwartzgan]

Yes. To piggyback on the Beal rumors, I’m looking at Gafford and Kuzma. If the new Wiz FO blows it up. 

Mavs: Gafford, Olynk, 28

Jazz: Bertans, 10

Wiz: Mcgee, 16

That’s interesting.  I guess if you are willing to live with moving from 10 to 28, you can do all sorts of things with 16 and some salary (or even 16, 2027 and some salary).  The key (and Bertans for Olynyk helps) is staying below the second apron when it is all done.

One thing to be cautious about.  Both Utah and the Wiz are hard-capped and can only take on so much salary in a June trade.

[MarkAguirreWrathofGod]

Gafford is all right. I remember wanting us to draft him what seems like forever ago now. But he makes like 12-14 per year for 3 more years. I’d say he’s in bad contract territory. I’d rather roll with the cheap Center by committee again then take on another bad contract to hamstring things further. Every year there are cheap, league minimum bigs available.

[loki]

Gafford is all right. I remember wanting us to draft him what seems like forever ago now. But he makes like 12-14 per year for 3 more years. I’d say he’s in bad contract territory. I’d rather roll with the cheap Center by committee again then take on another bad contract to hamstring things further. Every year there are cheap, league minimum bigs available.

I think Gafford would be worth it personally. He's only on an MLE-sized contract and he averaged 14/8/2 in 26 MPG when Porzingis didn't play.  Could look a lot better with a real point guard too. I just don't think it's likely you get acceptable production out of a Powell/McGee/minimum rotation.

[DanSchwartzgan]

If we have 16 and 28 and Olynyk and Washington is breaking it up, are they building around Avdija (who is RFA next summer) or would they rather have 16?  McGee is a trade match.

[SleepingHero]

Ignore this.

I was fooled by twitter.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

https://twitter.com/BiasedSlightly/statu...33441?s=20

LOL, I got fooled too.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

If we have 16 and 28 and Olynyk and Washington is breaking it up, are they building around Avdija (who is RFA next summer) or would they rather have 16?  McGee is a trade match.

I would love Avdija on the Mavs.
But pick 16 does not look to be enough to get him. (Maybe if the Mavs have a few seconds, that would help, but Mavs kept on giving those up away).

[SleepingHero]

I would love Avdija on the Mavs.
But pick 16 does not look to be enough to get him. (Maybe if the Mavs have a few seconds, that would help, but Mavs kept on giving those up away).

I'm actually leaning the other way and think #16 might be a bit too high for just Avdija. 

He's an interesting player, but his lack of shot and just general offensive ability REALLY limits how good of a player he can be. He's essentially a Thybulle clone right now with worse defense.

I wouldn't be against bringing him in, but only if it was for dirt cheap.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

What I truly want from the Wiz is Kuzma.

He is a wing with size.
Is decent on defense, and can do a lot of things.
Can facilitate, rebound, shoot the 3 and attack the hoop.

Could THJ+2027pick+whoever the Mavs pick at 28 (assuming they got it) be enough for a SNT?

[SkenfromLMF]

What I truly want from the Wiz is Kuzma.

He is a wing with size.
Is decent on defense, and can do a lot of things.
Can facilitate, rebound, shoot the 3 and attack the hoop.

Could THJ+2027pick+whoever the Mavs pick at 28 (assuming they got it) be enough for a SNT?

The biggest problem with receiving a player in the S&T is that it HARD Caps a team at the First Apron... I am not sure that Dallas can or should get under that point unless Kyrie is walking without a S&T going out.