Trade & FA 2023-24: 76ers Believe They Have A Shot at PG13

[Chicagojk]

Detroit has most of positions covered by high potential youngsters, with the exception of PF. They have been playing dual center line-ups for a while. Is Wemby a C or a PF? I guess you could play him next to a center (similar discussion we had related to Houston and Sengun). What Detroit lacks is a franchise cornerstone. Cunningham showed promise but is injured a lot. Wemby is the only clear cut franchise piece, so what happens if they don't get #1 pick? Scoot Henderson doesn't really fit the picture, Miller could make more sense for them

If Detroit drafts Wemby:
PG: Ivey, Hayes
SG: Cunningham
SF: Bogi
PF: Wemby, Bagley
C: Duren, Wiseman, Stewart

If Detroit drafts Miller:
PG: Ivey, Hayes
SG: Cunningham
SF: Miller
PF: Bogi, Bagley
C: Duren, Wiseman, Stewart

Center position is full in both cases, but I am not sure they would have much interest moving Duren. He could be a starter in both cases. He was pick #13 and proved he can play. I assume he has at least #10 pick value.

Trading Duren is a longshot.   If I was running a team I would hold onto him.  I believe he was the youngest player in the league this year.  I would not move that asset even if I wound up with Wemby.   It would be interesting to see who they prioritized in keeping though in Wiseman or Stewart.   There was a report that they had Wisemen very highly rated in the draft and he has played pretty well for the tanking Pistons.   I believe the GM has some sort of tie to Stewart prior to him being drafted.    You would think they would move one, but not sure which one.  Probably Stewart.

[omahen]

Trading Duren is a longshot.   If I was running a team I would hold onto him.  I believe he was the youngest player in the league this year.  I would not move that asset even if I wound up with Wemby.   It would be interesting to see who they prioritized in keeping though in Wiseman or Stewart.   There was a report that they had Wisemen very highly rated in the draft and he has played pretty well for the tanking Pistons.   I believe the GM has some sort of tie to Stewart prior to him being drafted.    You would think they would move one, but not sure which one.  Probably Stewart.

Agree. Which brings us to question - is there a deal with Detroit at all? Stewart alone is not worth unprotected FRP or #10. Detroit doesn't have another FRP in this draft. Do future protected picks hold any value for Dallas? Not sure. I think Detroit doesn't want to move Bogi unless it is a star move. If Detroit adds Hayes, I am still not sure it makes sense for Dallas (or Hayes)

[omahen]

This is the Mavs chart taking out of equation all FA to be (except Irving, who needs to be resigned if we want to speak about contending).

Starters
Irving
Doncic
Green
-
-

Reserves
-
Hardy, THJ
Bullock
Maxi
-

Deep bench
-
-
-
Bertans
McGee

We can see one of the wings is totally redundant. Hardy can function nice next to Luka or Irving, but he is not a PG, imho. So Mavs need a guy who is capable of playing 20+ minutes in games where either Luka or Irving sit. There will be plenty of those. I would go for experienced vet on a min deal, who would only play in only those games. Probably not needed for playoffs at all. Rose, Dragic, Joseph are a couple of names available. Bertans and McGee are criminally overpaid deep bench guys.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

If pick 10 is kept, would you trade if for Myles Turner?   It seems like you would be buying at a premium.   Last year he was probably available for less.   I just hate trading for guys at their premium price.  He would certainly help our interior defense.  Could you get back their late first?

Would you trade it for Ayton if the Suns have a disappointing playoffs?   I think this will be a legit conversation for both teams..especially if PHX loses before the finals.  Not sure how I feel about this.

John Collins?  Straight up for pick #10 doesn't work.    There were reports he was almost moved to PHX for Crowder and a first, I believe.  Could we do that similar framework using Bullock and our 27th first?   That salary is awfully tough to swallow though.

Ayton and Collins dont seem like the type of players we need.

The positive for Turner other than shot blocking is he can stretch the floor if the Mavs want to play 5 out.   He does get pushed around a bit inside and on the boards compared to more traditional centers like Poetl and Capela.  Not sure which type of guy the Mavs will target.

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This is the Mavs chart taking out of equation all FA to be (except Irving, who needs to be resigned if we want to speak about contending).

Starters
Irving
Doncic
Green
-
-

Reserves
-
Hardy, THJ
Bullock
Maxi
-

Yep

We have to find a starting 4 and 5.  That's the minimum for this offseason.  That's my entire focus, more than the draft and intriguing other pieces.

[SleepingHero]

Maybe if you switched out Stewart instead of Duren?  But this would be less appealing for Dallas.

Yeah I don't think there's enough meat there for Dallas if Duren isn't in the trade.

Put it this way, there are like 4 big men slated to go anywhere around 7-15. The Mavs could take the risk and take one of those guys and it'd be far less cheaper than dealing #10.

Pistons are about to have 3 centers that all want to start, with a 4th that has shown to be a good starter as well in Stewart. And everyone forgets about Bagley too! 

I don't think its an overpay.  Break it into its parts:

I said slight overpay with the thought in mind that Bojan is about to be 34 and could seriously decline. They also are losing the ability to attach #10+Bertans to shed his money (does 2027 carry the same value?). 

But looking at it in separate parts, THJ+McGee for Bojan is a great deal and #10 for Duren is fair, so I think it's more likely the Pistons say no.

[SleepingHero]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/what-...you-think/


Basically his point is that Rudy's defense is steadily declining, he's 31, and he's now had 2 locations where the locker room has turned against him. The writer thinks that Minnesota would have to pay a first to get off of Rudy's contract, something that would admit the colossal mistake that was the Rudy trade, and a move that they probably aren't willing to make.

With this in mind, I think a deal involving Bertans+McGee+THJ+#10 for Rudy+McDaniels is fair.

In 1 move the Mavs fix their need for a lanky wing defender that hustles and a big man that can defend, catch lobs, and rebound.

Expensive? Sure. Mavs add an additional 5 mil to their payroll next year, but save 700k this year. Tax wise that helps Cubes a tad as they will be a hair under the lux tax threshold for next year if my excel is correct (it's showing 300k away). This is assuming a 4 year full max for Kyrie by the way. 

Too expensive for Rudy? Too risky? All I know is that even a declining Gobert has been better than any big man we've ever had in the last 10 years.

[ItsGoTime]

Scenario, Dereck Lively II is available at #21 (and he’s a vetted out want for the Mavs) and we’ve picked someone BKN wants at #10. Would you do:

THJ, McGee and #10 for DFS, ONeal, #21 and our 29 back

In all honesty, I’m not so sure I would. I think if we trade the 10, it needs to be for a starting quality C or a Siakam/OG level SF/PF type. Not so sure the #10 is enough for those types considering the asks for a lot of these players lately. Only other option is to use it in a 3 team trade for a slightly upgraded player and our two outstanding picks left out there (NYK pick and BKN one).

[cow]

Scenario, Dereck Lively II is available at #21 (and he’s a vetted out want for the Mavs) and we’ve picked someone BKN wants at #10. Would you do:

THJ, McGee and #10 for DFS, ONeal, #21 and our 29 back

In all honesty, I’m not so sure I would. I think if we trade the 10, it needs to be for a starting quality C or a Siakam/OG level SF/PF type. Not so sure the #10 is enough for those types considering the asks for a lot of these players lately. Only other option is to use it in a 3 team trade for a slightly upgraded player and our two outstanding picks left out there (NYK pick and BKN one).

They wouldn't.  That unprotected 29 is a lottery ticket.

[SleepingHero]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...5979092992

[ItsGoTime]

They wouldn't.  That unprotected 29 is a lottery ticket.

I think the guaranteed lottery pick in this draft to help right now as opposed to a lottery ticket 6 years from now is enticing enough.

[cow]

I think the guaranteed lottery pick in this draft to help right now as opposed to a lottery ticket 6 years from now is enticing enough.

I'd agree in a lot of scenarios with that line of thinking but I'd also look at the Mavs ineptitude and gamble on Luka wanting out a few years prior to that pick conveying.

[SleepingHero]

I think the guaranteed lottery pick in this draft to help right now as opposed to a lottery ticket 6 years from now is enticing enough.

I don't see how the Mavs are somehow getting 2 FRP's for Timmy, McGee and #10.

Maybe if that was the 3rd pick in the draft...? But certainly not an end of lottery one. And at the 3rd pick I'd rather the Mavs take Brandon Miller and be happy.

[dirkfansince1998]

I don't see how the Mavs are somehow getting 2 FRP's for Timmy, McGee and #10.

Maybe if that was the 3rd pick in the draft...? But certainly not an end of lottery one. And at the 3rd pick I'd rather the Mavs take Brandon Miller and be happy.

Not exactly the most reliable tool but if we buy into draft value charts. #10 is worth two picks in the early 20s. I would assume that getting out of the mentioned contracts costs at least one of those picks. Even more if the returning player/salary has positive value.

[SleepingHero]

https://twitter.com/mavsfilmroom/status/...16224?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg

In other news, Dwight Powell will probably the longest tenured Mav in franchise history. Year 22 will come sooner than we think.

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I would assume that getting out of the mentioned contracts costs at least one of those picks. Even more if the returning players/salary has positive value.

Right I didn't even get into the value of getting off of McGee and/or Timmy in that supposed deal. And somehow also getting Doe back! 

I love ya IGT but that deal is definitely one of your more pie in the sky ones.  

[cow]

Powell at the minimum would be great.  I think he'll get more than that from the Mavs bidding against themselves.  And If I'm Powell's agent, I'm pointing at McGee's contract.

[SleepingHero]

https://twitter.com/mavsfilmroom/status/...08545?s=46&t=JCZO73vrym-K0Hu3J5z54Q

[ItsGoTime]

https://twitter.com/mavsfilmroom/status/...16224?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg

In other news, Dwight Powell will probably the longest tenured Mav in franchise history. Year 22 will come sooner than we think.

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Right I didn't even get into the value of getting off of McGee and/or Timmy in that supposed deal. And somehow also getting Doe back! 

I love ya IGT but that deal is definitely one of your more pie in the sky ones.  

Eh, I don’t think it’s all that off in a draft that, from what I’m reading is shaping up to be pretty good. Add the fact that DFS had a very down year. I wasn’t sure I myself wanted to do it from a Mavs standpoint.

[RasheedsBigWhiteSpot]

Just an FYI, but here's how the lottery, draft and offseason will go:

-- The Mavs will get the 2nd pick (Scoot Henderson) and trade it and THJ to the Jazz for Colin Sexton, Walker Kessler, #10, #16 in 2023 and the Minnesota pick in 2024.  The Jazz can then build around Markannen and Scoot.

-- The Mavs trade Bertans, Bullock, Kleber, McGee, Hardy, #16 in 2023, Minny 2024 and Dallas' 2027 FRPs to the Raptors for OG Anunoby and Siakam.  Bertans is essentially an expiring deal.

-- At #10 the Mavs pick Taylor Hendricks.

-- Mavs resign Kyrie to 3yr/$120m deal

2023/24 Lineup

Luka, Sexton
Kyrie,
Anunoby, Green
Siakam, Hendricks
Kessler

There's now an equal balance of offense and defense.  The Mavs will be a legit threat again.



Oh, wait.  Cuban's the GM.  This will never happen.  Carry on.

[SleepingHero]

Just an FYI, but here's how the lottery, draft and offseason will go:

-- The Mavs will get the 2nd pick (Scoot Henderson) and trade it and THJ to the Jazz for Colin Sexton, Walker Kessler, #10, #16 in 2023 and the Minnesota pick in 2024.  The Jazz can then build around Markannen and Scoot.

-- The Mavs trade Bertans, Bullock, Kleber, McGee, Hardy, #16 in 2023, Minny 2024 and Dallas' 2027 FRPs to the Raptors for OG Anunoby and Siakam.  Bertans is essentially an expiring deal.

-- At #10 the Mavs pick Taylor Hendricks.

-- Mavs resign Kyrie to 3yr/$120m deal

2023/24 Lineup

Luka, Sexton
Kyrie,
Anunoby, Green
Siakam, Hendricks
Kessler

There's now an equal balance of offense and defense.  The Mavs will be a legit threat again.



Oh, wait.  Cuban's the GM.  This will never happen.  Carry on.

I was with you until you had us get both the Raptors superstar wings for 3 firsts when it was reported they wanted 3 for just OG!

I like where your mind is headed and I subscribe to the Mavs getting the 2nd pick.

FYI if Kyrie signs a 3 year max deal it'll be closer to 3/150 not 3/120.

Lakers could offer a 3/100. HOU can give him 3/120.


Anyways I'd love for the Mavs to get Walker Kessler. If they could trade down from a hypothetical 2nd pick and nab him I think it'd be worth it. Also have to wonder what other centers could be had for a hypothetical trade for the 2nd pick.

[HAguiar95]

How about #10/McGee for Eason/#19 ?

Luka/TP-MLE
Irving (max)/Hardaway
Green/Hardaway
Eason/Kleber
X/Powell (min)

X is the best C we could get for a #19/Bertans/Bullock/Hardy package (Capela/Turner/Claxton). I know I'll get slack for involving Hardy, but I feel we need a good/great starting center to anchor the D and #19 alone doesn't land us that.

TP-MLE could be Carter (MIL), Schroder (LAL), Vincent (MIA), Jackson (DEN). Or we could fill that with vet. min guys like Dragic/Beverley and spend MLE elsewhere.