Trade & FA 2023-24: 76ers Believe They Have A Shot at PG13

[omahen]

List the names you think will not be back in order of your belief that they need to go and likelihood that they will.

I honestly don't care a lot about guys like Morris, FN, Pinson and Holiday. They are vet min guys and other vet min guys will not be any better than they are. Sure, I would prefer to replace at least two of them with late SRP or undrafted guys. AJ Lawson looks like he could be just fine in this role. Please Cuban, finally spend the 5 million and buy a SRP or two. 

Center position. None of existing guys is a starter. You can afford to have one more "more than vet min" center on the roster. McGee is the third stringer at best and paid as second stringer. He should be gone, but Mavs can't afford to spend assets dumping him. He likely stays as an overpaid third stringer.  So, I think one of the remaining two will stay as the second stringer, most likely Powell.

Maxi and Bullock fall into same category for me. Neither is totally useless but also not any good. They have their moments, but they have been rare this season. Bullocks contract is good for trade purpose, so I think he will be gone. 

Bertans and THJ have both high and non expiring contracts. Both are expendable. Mavs will sure try to include them in deals, but who knows if there will be any takers. I predict one of them, most likely Bertans, will remain on the team.

Green and Hardy. I don't think Mavs have the ammo for more than average starter and I think picks should be enough of an incentive for those kind of players. Trading Green and Hardy just creates another hole needed to be filled and vet min guys Mavs can bring as replacement will be a sorry substitution.  

Irving and Luka will stay.

What I want to see is adding two starters to this team to continue watching Mavs. One of them could be the rookie, but they need one more. They need a PF and C. There seem to be several PF rookies available in the draft around the #10 pick, but basically no centers, with the highest ones around pick number 20 (Lively). No idea if this guy is ready to be a starter in a 20+ mpg role. However, one move could be to trade down from #10 to get Lively and bring another starter with the difference in value between (lets say) #10 and #20. NBA tankhaton has Mavs at #10 with Hendricks and GSW at #20 with Lively. So perhaps #10 and THJ to GSW for Green and #20 (Lively) could be a smart move, getting two players that fit the needs, for one pick.

[omahen]

Looking at past draft trades of picks around #10 and couldn't find much info to assess value. There were some used in trade ups or trade downs (mostly just involving picks), but could only found Markannen (#7) used in a deal for Butler (with a bunch of other pieces). In vast majority, teams decided to keep their pick.

[ballsrchr]

I honestly don't care a lot about guys like Morris, FN, Pinson and Holiday. They are vet min guys and other vet min guys will not be any better than they are. Sure, I would prefer to replace at least two of them with late SRP or undrafted guys. AJ Lawson looks like he could be just fine in this role. Please Cuban, finally spend the 5 million and buy a SRP or two. 

Center position. None of existing guys is a starter. You can afford to have one more "more than vet min" center on the roster. McGee is the third stringer at best and paid as second stringer. He should be gone, but Mavs can't afford to spend assets dumping him. He likely stays as an overpaid third stringer.  So, I think one of the remaining two will stay as the second stringer, most likely Powell.

Maxi and Bullock fall into same category for me. Neither is totally useless but also not any good. They have their moments, but they have been rare this season. Bullocks contract is good for trade purpose, so I think he will be gone. 

Bertans and THJ have both high and non expiring contracts. Both are expendable. Mavs will sure try to include them in deals, but who knows if there will be any takers. I predict one of them, most likely Bertans, will remain on the team.

Green and Hardy. I don't think Mavs have the ammo for more than average starter and I think picks should be enough of an incentive for those kind of players. Trading Green and Hardy just creates another hole needed to be filled and vet min guys Mavs can bring as replacement will be a sorry substitution.  

Irving and Luka will stay.

What I want to see is adding two starters to this team to continue watching Mavs. One of them could be the rookie, but they need one more. They need a PF and C. There seem to be several PF rookies available in the draft around the #10 pick, but basically no centers, with the highest ones around pick number 20 (Lively). No idea if this guy is ready to be a starter in a 20+ mpg role. However, one move could be to trade down from #10 to get Lively and bring another starter with the difference in value between (lets say) #10 and #20. NBA tankhaton has Mavs at #10 with Hendricks and GSW at #20 with Lively. So perhaps #10 and THJ to GSW for Green and #20 (Lively) could be a smart move, getting two players that fit the needs, for one pick.

Some great thoughts by many on roster building the last...few nights...I guess, but I've gotta go with omahen.  I'm not sure I want Irving to stay, but if all he wants is the money he'd be a flat earth fool if he didn't sign.  That's assuming Cuban is going to open the coffers...

[SleepingHero]

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status...49984?s=46&t=CryhMTxulyrD7IV56fCwuQ

[omahen]

It is difficult for me to assess the value of the pick, but I think Mavs will be targeting non star starters with the pick. Guys like Turner, OG and (still think he is the main target) Green. However, it takes two to tango and none of those could be available. Keeping the pick is always an option, but it is not so interesting to discuss, so a couple of trade down ideas:
1. New Orleans - #10+McGee for Herb Jones, Kira Lewis and #17. Jones is a great defender, but not a great shooter. If he could improve a bit, he could be exactly what Mavs need. Lewis was a dissapointment, but his contract is a year shorter than McGee and easier to move. Mavs add athleticism and still have a decent pick
2. BKN - #10 and Bertans for DFS, O'Neal and #21. Mavs lose the upside for two solid wings.

[omahen]

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status...49984?s=46&t=CryhMTxulyrD7IV56fCwuQ

Mavs would surely be interested in Ayton, but what could they offer to Phoenix? They didn't bring in Durant to start building for the future. Phoenix would need a center back and Mavs have no one even remotely interesting. If guys like Capella or Turner are brought into picture, I would assume their respective teams would prefer Ayton than involving Mavs (and Mavs might prefer cheaper Capella or Turner to Ayton). Even if Phoenix really loved someone at #10, I would assume they would still want at least one quality player for Ayton.

[loki]

It is difficult for me to assess the value of the pick, but I think Mavs will be targeting non star starters with the pick. Guys like Turner, OG and (still think he is the main target) Green. However, it takes two to tango and none of those could be available. Keeping the pick is always an option, but it is not so interesting to discuss, so a couple of trade down ideas:
1. New Orleans - #10+McGee for Herb Jones, Kira Lewis and #17. Jones is a great defender, but not a great shooter. If he could improve a bit, he could be exactly what Mavs need. Lewis was a dissapointment, but his contract is a year shorter than McGee and easier to move. Mavs add athleticism and still have a decent pick
2. BKN - #10 and Bertans for DFS, O'Neal and #21. Mavs lose the upside for two solid wings.

I'd target Claxton and one of DFS/O'Neale rather than two wings.

[omahen]

I'd target Claxton and one of DFS/O'Neale rather than two wings.

Yeah, me too. But Claxton had an excellent season and is a one year rental. 

List of current centers that make sense for Mavs team:
1. Capela. They might prefer Okongwu going forward. He is not worth a #10 pick but the difference between #10 and their #15 is not that big to incentivize them to take back a bad contract like Bertans or McGee. I mean, I would immediately do Bullock+McGee+#10 for Capela and #15, but I doubt they would. Would you throw in Hardy?
2. Rob Williams. A bit undersized and injured a lot. I doubt we have anything that would interest Boston
3. Claxton. Could be a target but is he really worth a #10 pick?
4. Stewart - not worth #10 pick, unless Mavs take back some protected future picks. Still, I would prefer the upside of the #10 pick.
5. Turner - how long of a rebuild is Indy planning? I doubt he would be available, but #10 for him seems like a good trade for both sides, if they are considering moving him.
6. Ayton. I can't see how a move for him could be done
7. Gafford. Nothing special. But would you consider something like Bullock, Green and #10 for Gafford and #8? Mavs would severly lack wings and that number #8 better becomes near star.

[DanSchwartzgan]

Yeah, me too. But Claxton had an excellent season and is a one year rental. 
 

But, he's a flight risk for Brooklyn as even a 40% bump on an extension only gets him to $12mm.  So, the reason it might be scary to trade for him is the same reason he might be available.  McGee and 10 for Claxton and 21?  How did he and Kyrie get along?

Is there a world in which we add Bertans and the unprotected 2027 and get Bridges also?  It is unfortunate they have no incentive to tank as they don't have their own future first for years to come.

[omahen]

s there a world in which we add Bertans and the unprotected 2027 and get Bridges also?

I don't think so. He is playing almost like a star, has a long term contract and is an excellent piece for team building. I would only trade him for a star.

So, the reason it might be scary to trade for him is the same reason he might be available.  McGee and 10 for Claxton and 21?

These are exactly my fears. It is not worth giving up a #10 (even with 21 coming back) for a one year rental and BKN might be reluctant to trade him for less compensation. Does he have bird rights after next season?

[SleepingHero]

1. Capela. They might prefer Okongwu going forward. He is not worth a #10 pick but the difference between #10 and their #15 is not that big to incentivize them to take back a bad contract like Bertans or McGee. I mean, I would immediately do Bullock+McGee+#10 for Capela and #15, but I doubt they would. Would you throw in Hardy?

I actually love the idea of trying to get Capela and letting the Hawks move up. 

Hawks are in a similar situation as the Mavs cap wise. Lots of bloated contracts and underperforming players. I'd try to add onto that framework and add in a guy like Collins or Hunter (who has been pretty bad) and give them Bertans. Maybe there is a Christian Wood SnT angle here as well. 

Capela+Collins(or Hunter)+15 for McGee+Bullock+Bertans+10. Hawks save at a minimum 7mil and that can balloon up to 14 mil (Tack on 5-8mil if they waive Bullock). That's big savings.

[Dirknows]

I actually love the idea of trying to get Capela and letting the Hawks move up. 

Hawks are in a similar situation as the Mavs cap wise. Lots of bloated contracts and underperforming players. I'd try to add onto that framework and add in a guy like Collins or Hunter (who has been pretty bad) and give them Bertans. Maybe there is a Christian Wood SnT angle here as well. 

Capela+Collins(or Hunter)+15 for McGee+Bullock+Bertans+10. Hawks save at a minimum 7mil and that can balloon up to 14 mil (Tack on 5-8mil if they waive Bullock). That's big savings.

Yeah but then Mavs are stuck with John Collins or Hunter who aren't very good and make a lot of money.

[omahen]

I'd try to add onto that framework and add in a guy like Collins or Hunter (who has been pretty bad) and give them Bertans.

Atlanta is trying to win now, not to get worse. Why would they trade a decent player, who might not be the best fit regarding rest of the roster, for a total dead weight salary?

Maybe there is a Christian Wood SnT angle here as well. 

Atlanta is in tax next season, so SnT is not a realistic option.

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that can balloon up to 14 mil (Tack on 5-8mil if they waive Bullock)

I think Bullock needs to be fully guaranteed if traded.

That's big savings.

If Atlanta would be so desperate about savings, they wouldn't have extended Bogi.

[DanSchwartzgan]

 
These are exactly my fears. It is not worth giving up a #10 (even with 21 coming back) for a one year rental and BKN might be reluctant to trade him for less compensation. Does he have bird rights after next season?

Yes.  He's been there 4 seasons.  The issue is he'll get more than he's eligible to be extended for (even with a 40% extension limit).  So, he will hit unrestricted free agency in a year.  Claxton is represented by CAA...you know the same agency that conspired to move Brunson out of here.

[DanSchwartzgan]

I think Bullock needs to be fully guaranteed if traded.
 

Interesting question.  His decision date is in June, so it would have to be a 22/23 season trade.  I think I've seen players traded for their guaranteed amount if that is all that is needed to match an incoming contract.  But, I don't recall the timing or circumstances.   

One thing to bear in mind about 22/23 deals.  We already have a massive tax bill for this season.  Any deal before 6/30 that brings back extra salary adds to the bill.

[SleepingHero]

I think Bullock needs to be fully guaranteed if traded.

His guarantee date June 28th according to Hoopshype. Draft is June 22nd. So if the Hawks wanted to they could trade and waive him on draft night.

[ItsGoTime]

His guarantee date June 28th according to Hoopshype. Draft is June 22nd. So if the Hawks wanted to they could trade and waive him on draft night.

This was my understanding as well. I think he’s one of the biggest trade chips we have because of that to be traded at or before the draft. We can even take back less in the trade because he becomes $5M less when waived. Toppin, Hartenstein, Fournier and our pick back for Bullock, Mcgee, Bertans and the #10?

[F Gump]

On Bullock, under present rules, he can be traded in June, just so long as he has a 2023-24 contract (whether no guarantee, some, or all). Only the guarantee amount would count for trade matching. For a team who wanted to waive him after getting him, the guarantee amount could be bumped to suit the trade, if more matching money is needed.

One caveat - all the trade rules are possibly at risk of change, due to new CBA on the way. They might even revise some of the provisions for June 2023 trades, or might not. But the impact of future rules are likely to weigh on what teams are willing to do in June, even if allowable.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

Yeah, me too. But Claxton had an excellent season and is a one year rental. 

List of current centers that make sense for Mavs team:
1. Capela. They might prefer Okongwu going forward. He is not worth a #10 pick but the difference between #10 and their #15 is not that big to incentivize them to take back a bad contract like Bertans or McGee. I mean, I would immediately do Bullock+McGee+#10 for Capela and #15, but I doubt they would. Would you throw in Hardy?
2. Rob Williams. A bit undersized and injured a lot. I doubt we have anything that would interest Boston
3. Claxton. Could be a target but is he really worth a #10 pick?
4. Stewart - not worth #10 pick, unless Mavs take back some protected future picks. Still, I would prefer the upside of the #10 pick.
5. Turner - how long of a rebuild is Indy planning? I doubt he would be available, but #10 for him seems like a good trade for both sides, if they are considering moving him.
6. Ayton. I can't see how a move for him could be done
7. Gafford. Nothing special. But would you consider something like Bullock, Green and #10 for Gafford and #8? Mavs would severly lack wings and that number #8 better becomes near star.

I like your thoughts. 

I think I’d pull the trigger on Claxton for #10. Only 23. Can protect the paint. Can finish lobs. Still leaves you assets for another upgrade (starting 4).

Capela is a fallback but definitely not trading #10 for him.

[IamDougieFresh]

Okay. Okay. I’ll be the first.

















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