BRUNSON BURNER: to NYK for 4yrs/$104M (no SnT) | NYK docked 2025 2nd for tampering

[cow]

It's almost like Dorian is a really good dude.  A good son, community member, father, husband, and teammate.

[cow]

JB hype:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buTcWih6iTg

[Chicagojk]

It is unfair to expect Jalen to score 41 points in a playoff game....even 30 points.  But I always felt people focused on what he wasn't good at and not his strong points.   Jalen is a mentally tough player.  Doesn't make mistakes.   Is efficient.   Makes a high percentage of his shots and free throws.   Scores at the rim.   Has learned to play with a ball dominant super star (not the easiest thing) and flourish when he gets his opportunities.   He is a good leader.  He doesn't lose his cool on the floor.   Doesn't turn the ball over.   One of the league leaders in charges.   

If anything, this team more of the Jalen Brunson types.   Give me more, not less.

[DanSchwartzgan]

So... Malcolm Brogdon money. Makes sense.

(Now to read the rumors about Indy wanting to sign Brunson and move Brogdon. Hold up...)

It is amazing how often we are on the same waive length (I heard this before reading it on the board and thought the same thing).  But, as Omahen pointed out.  They have cap room.

Not sure I believe the rumor, but it is another leverage point.  I've long thought the threat of a player going somewhere else for cap space is almost as valuable as having cap space yourself.  Yeah, a team like NY can reduce salary via trade with a little work and sign JB outright.  But it would be much better for them to save the assets and make a deal with Dallas.  Why in the world would Dallas agree?  because NY's something is better than Indy or Detroit's nothing.  

Let's hope the vibes here are immaculate when the discussions actually start.

[Kammrath]

JB's playoff stats...

26.7 PER
32.5 pts
5.0 asts
7.5 rbds
1.0 stl
1.0 TO
49.0% FG
53.8% 3P
76.9% FT

Is that good?

[Hogmelon]

JB's playoff stats...

26.7 PER
32.5 pts
5.0 asts
7.5 rbds
1.0 stl
1.0 TO
49.0% FG
53.8% 3P
76.9% FT

Is that good?

It's not bad.

But, as the great philosopher Kammrath once inquired, "Is it sustainable?"

[Kammrath]

But, as the great philosopher Kammrath once inquired, "Is it sustainable?"

Sounds like a wise dude.

[Jommybone]

On the other hand, his inefficiency in game 1 was also an outlier.

[omahen]

It is amazing how often we are on the same waive length (I heard this before reading it on the board and thought the same thing).  But, as Omahen pointed out.  They have cap room.

Not sure I believe the rumor, but it is another leverage point.  I've long thought the threat of a player going somewhere else for cap space is almost as valuable as having cap space yourself.  Yeah, a team like NY can reduce salary via trade with a little work and sign JB outright.  But it would be much better for them to save the assets and make a deal with Dallas.  Why in the world would Dallas agree?  because NY's something is better than Indy or Detroit's nothing.  

Let's hope the vibes here are immaculate when the discussions actually start.

My comment about cap space was not meant in a way that SnT is not possible. I wrote their cost for having cap space - letting three decent players walk.  I was trying to indicate, that the opportunity cost for signing Brunson with cap space is not high. Indy can basically weight the following options:
a) lose (injured) Rubio, (injured) Warren and young Smith (with the disclaimer that they might not even want them or the players wouldn't want to stay anyway)
b) lose assets you would get in Brogdon trade
c) lose the player you could sign in the cap space created - but it has to be said that the FA class is weak, RFA included. I am not sure scenario "c" can provide higher opportunity cost than scenario "a".
d) execute other SnT option (Hield, McConnell,...)

The key here is the Brogdon value, what could they get for him - put value on scenario "b". When he plays he is great, efficiently scoring almost 20 ppg and he plays defense. Very smart player. Same as Brunson can play next to a star or be primary ball handler. He is 29 so his contract is not awful. The only downside is that he is injured a lot. Lets say Dallas would want to trade for Brogdon - what would we be willing to pay. I assume THJ, FRP and Green could be a fair offer. 

So Indy could have the following options:
a) Brunson (signed as FA) and a package of similar value to THJ, Green, FRP they would get for Brogdon or
b) Rubio, Warren, Smith and Brunson (Brogdon is traded to Dallas)

I think package "a" should have more value for a rebuilding team. That is why I am not sure Indy would be willing to go for a straight up Brunson for Brogdon swap.

[michaeltex]

My comment about cap space was not meant in a way that SnT is not possible. I wrote their cost for having cap space - letting three decent players walk.  I was trying to indicate, that the opportunity cost for signing Brunson with cap space is not high. Indy can basically weight the following options:
a) lose (injured) Rubio, (injured) Warren and young Smith (with the disclaimer that they might not even want them or the players wouldn't want to stay anyway)
b) lose assets you would get in Brogdon trade
c) lose the player you could sign in the cap space created - but it has to be said that the FA class is weak, RFA included. I am not sure scenario "c" can provide higher opportunity cost than scenario "a".
d) execute other SnT option (Hield, McConnell,...)

The key here is the Brogdon value, what could they get for him - put value on scenario "b". When he plays he is great, efficiently scoring almost 20 ppg and he plays defense. Very smart player. Same as Brunson can play next to a star or be primary ball handler. He is 29 so his contract is not awful. The only downside is that he is injured a lot. Lets say Dallas would want to trade for Brogdon - what would we be willing to pay. I assume THJ, FRP and Green could be a fair offer. 

So Indy could have the following options:
a) Brunson (signed as FA) and a package of similar value to THJ, Green, FRP they would get for Brogdon or
b) Rubio, Warren, Smith and Brunson (Brogdon is traded to Dallas)

I think package "a" should have more value for a rebuilding team. That is why I am not sure Indy would be willing to go for a straight up Brunson for Brogdon swap.

That's some deeeeeeeep thinking there.

[Fuerza1]

JB has a career high playoff game and the coach that was holding him back all of a sudden wants him. 

I hope JB says to kick rocks!

Carlisle 100% held him back. No way he'd reunite with him in Indy. 

Carlisle would yank Brunson out of games for 1 mistake or no mistake at all and insert 35 y.o, peg leg JJ Barea for "energy." 

Delon Wright was a Carlisle signing a la Josh Richardson trade, as the "starting, big guard defender," both players Carlisle prioritized more than Brunson. 

Bubble Burke was another Carlisle move who he had penciled in ahead of Brunson before he reverted back into China Burke. 

Then Carlisle sabotaged Brunson in last year's playoff series by relying on bit player Boban over his 6MOY candidate; imagine JET devolving from big minutes to waterboy in the playoffs. 

All Brunson needed was a consistent opportunity; it is no surprise he is seizing the moment with new and improved head coach Jason Kidd. Carlisle never envisioned Brunson as a starter next to Luka, point blank.

[burekemde]

Start Brunson? You mean on NBA All first team? He has proven many people wrong. Skills, bbIQ, consistency are some of the ultimate weapons in the NBA. What a player. Luka, Brunson, SD, this is arguably the best backcourt in the NBA.

[Fuerza1]

https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1517155041660002304

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1517181078561181705

https://twitter.com/Dame_Lillard/status/...8127606786

[Kammrath]

Lightbulb has officially turned on for JB. He gets that the Nash/CP3 midrange game is his cash cow. Work it JB!!!

[SleepingHero]

Jalen Brunson is Michael Jordan incarnate when versing the Jazz.

[ThisIStheYear]

JB may challenge for a max contract if this keeps up. Mavs will have to make an aggressive move out of the gate.  They can’t afford to lose him.

[Fuerza1]

https://twitter.com/MavsMuse/status/1517349765855551492

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1517353283911929857

[SleepingHero]

I never would have called Brunson becoming a 30ppg scorer coming into the playoffs.

That's max money worthy easily.

[cow]

I never would have called Brunson becoming a 30ppg scorer coming into the playoffs.

That's max money worthy easily.

Maxi makes like $8m a year.  I think Jalen has his sights on a bigger bag.

[SleepingHero]

Maxi makes like $8m a year.  I think Jalen has his sights on a bigger bag.