2019-2020 Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart

[Sigma4Life]

https://twitter.com/jeskeets/status/1201...53024?s=20

He's having a horrendous season. I'd LOVE to get him if his value has decreased enough for us to be able to get in the mix.

Gordon has played some lockdown defense on Kawhi ... He'd be an exceptional fit, I just don't know how you get him

Gordon or T Young 

I think either one would start and push Porzingis to 5 ... and Kleber/Powell back to dominant bench roles

Maybe Lee + Jackson + two 1st round picks 

Probably best Mavs could offer for picks would be GSW's 2nd + 2025 1st unless they make a deal for a pick. It's far fetched but they do have the $12 million trade exception. I wonder if someone would be willing to include a 1st rounder to get off bad salary?

I think Gordon has been miscast as a lead horse when he's really more of an elite complimentary player. Very similar to Igoudala's career path.

It's a pipe dream but the guy I REALLY want the Mavs to poach is Isaac. He'd be the perfect compliment. He's the prototype defensive player for the modern NBA who blocks shots AND guards the perimeter extremely well. He's also making 34% of his 3s without elite PG play to give him wide open looks.

I'd give up any players not named Luka or KP plus whatever 1st & 2nd round draft picks we are allowed to trade.

[Fuerza1]

Honestly, I think a simple trade such as Seth/Lee for Favors could put this team into the Western Conference Finals. 

Luka/THJ/DFS/Favors/KP is incredibly well rounded.

Brunson/Wright/JJax/Kleber/Powell as your bench mob would be much more balanced overall; more rim running for Powell plus him and Kleber always play well together as does Brunson/Wright; JJax is our best 3PT shooter and gets more opportunity. This line-up could really run' gun.

[StepBackJay]

Honestly, I think a simple trade such as Seth/Lee for Favors could put this team into the Western Conference Finals. 

Luka/THJ/DFS/Favors/KP is incredibly well rounded.

Brunson/Wright/JJax/Kleber/Powell as your bench mob would be much more balanced overall; more rim running for Powell plus him and Kleber always play well together as does Brunson/Wright; JJax is our best 3PT shooter and gets more opportunity. This line-up could really run' gun.

I like Favors a lot as an upgrade over Powell. Favors can do what Powell does offensively and Favors is a much better defender and rebounder. I would give up the GS 2nd to get Favors bird rights so that we could keep him.

My idea would be Favors for Lee + something NO wants (player or pick) and then Crowder for TE + 2 future seconds. Grizzlies might want assets as they are tanking. Crowder would fill the Mavs need for another big defensive wing. A Crowder/Favors upgrade would be pretty huge and wouldn't require a lot of assets sent out imo.

[HanspardsShowerVoice]

Gordon has been a player I've been eyeballing for a while as a perfect 4 to pair with Luka and KP, but that comes with the caveat that he needs to get over what he imagines himself to be and embrace what he should be. What he could be is a Draymond Green caliber versatile defensive specialist who switch off on any position and can also bring elite rim running on offense. What he imagines himself to be is a high scoring power forward who needs a lot of usage and needs a lot of offense designed around him.

[Scott41theMavs]

Honestly, I think a simple trade such as Seth/Lee for Favors could put this team into the Western Conference Finals.

Luka/THJ/DFS/Favors/KP is incredibly well rounded.

Brunson/Wright/JJax/Kleber/Powell as your bench mob would be much more balanced overall; more rim running for Powell plus him and Kleber always play well together as does Brunson/Wright; JJax is our best 3PT shooter and gets more opportunity. This line-up could really run' gun.

I'd consider that a huge TDL win, and I say that as a Curry fan. Seth has less value right now than Justin.

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Honestly, I think a simple trade such as Seth/Lee for Favors could put this team into the Western Conference Finals.

Luka/THJ/DFS/Favors/KP is incredibly well rounded.

Brunson/Wright/JJax/Kleber/Powell as your bench mob would be much more balanced overall; more rim running for Powell plus him and Kleber always play well together as does Brunson/Wright; JJax is our best 3PT shooter and gets more opportunity. This line-up could really run' gun.

I like Favors a lot as an upgrade over Powell. Favors can do what Powell does offensively and Favors is a much better defender and rebounder. I would give up the GS 2nd to get Favors bird rights so that we could keep him.

My idea would be Favors for Lee + something NO wants (player or pick) and then Crowder for TE + 2 future seconds. Grizzlies might want assets as they are tanking. Crowder would fill the Mavs need for another big defensive wing. A Crowder/Favors upgrade would be pretty huge and wouldn't require a lot of assets sent out imo.

I like Crowder. I think he'd be ready to play for the Mavs again if we gave him just three minutes in a room alone with RC, but then we'd need a new head coach.

BTW, I think it would take several of our good young players to get those two guys from Memphis.

[Mavs2019]

Unless a no brainer comes along, you just keep your picks and draft BEA- Best Euro Available. We´ll have two picks between 18 and 35.

Don´t rush into dumb sh*t like Igoudala. It´s time to stop doing embarrassing stuff like refusing to acquire him WITH a 1st round pick in the off-season and then give up anything of value to trade for him later.

[SleepingHero]

Dragic + Okpala

for

Lee + Brunson + Roby

Bench mob becomes Dragic, Wright, Jackson and Maxi.  Okpala is a better prospect than Roby and Dragic gets us more wins than Brunson over the course of the next 3 years (he essentially becomes what JJB used to be for us).  Miami gets under the LT and gets a keeper backup PG in Brunson who doesn't carry much salary into 21 when they want to go big after Giannis.

Giving up on Brunson already Dan?? 

I love me some Dragic. I was one of the few that got extremely hyped up when the Mavs almost traded for him over the summer. I think having him here would push the bench to another level for sure. I do think though that given how good Miami is playing, and how integral Dragic is to their bench, there isn't a realistic trade the Mavs could do to get him. 

Miami is looking to be one of the better teams in the East this year, and it doesn't make sense for them to give up on of their best bench contributors for 2 people that barely play and a high floor young PG. 

Also, I feel like Brunson is having a sophomore slump for sure this year so far, but barring bringing in a gamechanger, we should view him as a mainstay of this core. We saw last year what Brunson could be. A solid 15ppg 7apg kind of guy with hustle defense. The Mavs have control over him for years to come as well. I wouldn't want to give that up for a minor upgrade in Dragic who's 10 years older.

[Scott41theMavs]

Posted this in v's thread, but I think it's relevant to the general discussion about trades:

I don't think the Mavs will be making any trades until all of the restrictions wear off. There's plenty of time for our current non-Luka/KP players to raise their trade value. Of course, if that happens, unless whatever trade we made was a slam-dunk, then there will be a ton of guys whinging, "I can't believe we traded _____________." 

This year feels a little bit like the Jameer/Rondo year to me. Most important thing is not to make a trade that irrevocably kills chemistry, especially if it's for an expiring guy whom we can't wait for the door to hit him on the way out. I think our most valuable trade chip is Wright, and I don't want to see him go for anyone who isn't top 50 in the league, especially given his contract. That said, this is still a team that plays three bench guys in the starting lineup, and (IIRC) is not going to have more than the MLE and their draft pick to rectify that next summer. I think they have to add a player for Lee and 2nds if nothing else, whether that guy is a starter or simply strengthens our non-Luka/KP corps.

[deronjohn]

If we are using the Championship team as a building model there are 3 things we need 

1. Swiss Army Knife Combo Forward i.e. Shawn Marion (Aaron Gordon) 
2. Elite physical Center i.e. Tyson Chandler (Andre Drummond) 
3. 3 and D Wing / Crazy Guy i.e. D'Shawn Stevenson (Jae Crowder) 

I am not saying we have to get all of the above pieces and exact names but the 3 players above would make us competitive with the Clippers and top tier teams. 

I would be on board for trading for Aaron Gordon 
Part of me wonders if we can include something else in the trade for him

[StepBackJay]

If we are using the Championship team as a building model there are 3 things we need 

1. Swiss Army Knife Combo Forward i.e. Shawn Marion (Aaron Gordon) 
2. Elite physical Center i.e. Tyson Chandler (Andre Drummond) 
3. 3 and D Wing / Crazy Guy i.e. D'Shawn Stevenson (Jae Crowder) 

I am not saying we have to get all of the above pieces and exact names but the 3 players above would make us competitive with the Clippers and top tier teams. 

I would be on board for trading for Aaron Gordon 
Part of me wonders if we can include something else in the trade for him

Andre Drummond is having a big year but I don't think Mavs want to get a traditional center in here. They are basically turning KP into Tyson Chandler who shoots 3s for better or worse. I am down with Aaron Gordon for sure, not sure what it would take to get him though. I would trade ab anything on this roster bc he would be solidified as your third guy. I am also down with Jae Crowder if you can get him in here. I think he will be a hot commodity at the trade deadline.

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That makes sense Mavsfan, I don't think he'd be on Towns but he can guard just about any bigger player imo this side of Embiid. He has locked down 250 lb LeBron and 7 foot Durant in the past. Anyways I would like him acquired as he would turn this team from good defensively to great.

I think the avenue to making us a better defensive team is not by adding a 20 min a night wing that doesn't play offense much.  It ultimately lies with the Mavs finding a trade that upgrades Powell or THJ in the starting lineup with 2-way players who don't mess with our offensive flow (or even improve it!) and can be plus defenders.  It is not an easy task. The other avenue is for Porzingis to break out of his funk and become so dominant on offense, that we can throw another defensive only player out there with him and Luka instead of THJ.

In other words, I think the path to the Mavs acquiring those players lies in MC taking back a TON of short term money (1-2 year contracts) to get players that meet this criteria - and still keeping the Giannis dream alive!

Right I think upgrading THJ and Powell would be nice. Their deals aren't movable at the moment so the way you upgrade them is finding better players to replace them in the starting lineup. If you can get Favors for Lee + some asset I would be all for that. THJ if he plays this well is harder to replace than you think. He is a shooter, can handle the ball, has size and has actually picked it up on the defensive end. Short term I am not sure how you replace what he can do for you in the starting lineup.

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THJ

THJ is fine if he can continue his latest production. Even on an off night he draws a lot of attention from defense giving more space for others. We need an upgrade for DFS in the starting line-up.

Played within his role, played smart, shot didn't fall but that's not what matters to me when judging players.

He played excellent defense, had good positioning and moved the ball.

Some other users pointed out that they tried some different things in the last 5 minutes, used them as live practice session. So I would not judge the garbage time play of him.

I am on the fence with DFS. I like him as a glue guy in the starting lineup but I also wonder if Iguodala would be an upgrade, at least defensively.

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I'm starting to like the idea of Courtney Lee + GSW's 2nd for Thad Young to beef up the wing and better match up with the Clippers. 

I love what Jackson brings as a small ball four, but I don't think you want him guarding Kawhi or Paul George in crunch time, when the Clippers play small.

Thad Young seems like a Carlisle player. Tough, efficient, low turnover, solid defender. Seems like he would fit right in and allow the Mavs to keep some size on the floor when Porzingis moves to the five.

He's wasted on the Bulls roster.

Ya I would love that move because he is an upgrade over Powell and moves Powell to the bench with Maxi. I think Young or Favors types could be the difference maker. I like Powell's hustle and it showed in the Lakers' game. That being said I mean he has so many problems you are leaving money on the table not taking the chance to upgrade his spot in the starting lineup. He can't defend the rim, his defense overall is not great (he does move his feet well). He can't rebound, it's a miracle when he gets an offensive rebound. I like Powell but he cannot be the long-term answer next to KP in the starting lineup.

[HanspardsShowerVoice]

I wouldnt be so quick to juxtapose a roster from a previous era as the ideal way to win a Championship in 2020 and beyond. I dont think people have fully grasped the accelleration in which the league has changed. Andre Drummond is likely a net liability in a playoff series. We already have the perfect center for todays NBA on the roster. We could use a more consistent and explosive defensive 4 to complement him who could guard 4 positions off the switch and allow him to camp in the paint and rim defend

Russillo
@ryenarussillo
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14m
Embiid leads the league in post touches w/ 10.6 per game.

Al Jefferson lead the league w/ 20 post touches per game just five years ago.

[SkenfromLMF]

How close are the Mavs to their hard cap?

I am afraid the Mavs will be restricted to matching trades, and using the Trade Exception... Meaning the usual Multipliers may/likely not be available to make legal trades.

[vfromlmf]

What he imagines himself to be is a high scoring power forward who needs a lot of usage and needs a lot of offense designed around him.

A Gordon is certainly not Blake Griffin.

I don't think he has the beef to play small ball center, but I do think he could easily slot into an Igoudala small ball four role. Gordon can play some elite defense when he's focused.

[deronjohn]

If we are using the Championship team as a building model there are 3 things we need 

1. Swiss Army Knife Combo Forward i.e. Shawn Marion (Aaron Gordon) 
2. Elite physical Center i.e. Tyson Chandler (Andre Drummond) 
3. 3 and D Wing / Crazy Guy i.e. D'Shawn Stevenson (Jae Crowder) 

I am not saying we have to get all of the above pieces and exact names but the 3 players above would make us competitive with the Clippers and top tier teams. 

I would be on board for trading for Aaron Gordon 
Part of me wonders if we can include something else in the trade for him

Andre Drummond is having a big year but I don't think Mavs want to get a traditional center in here. They are basically turning KP into Tyson Chandler who shoots 3s for better or worse. I am down with Aaron Gordon for sure, not sure what it would take to get him though. I would trade ab anything on this roster bc he would be solidified as your third guy. I am also down with Jae Crowder if you can get him in here. I think he will be a hot commodity at the trade deadline.

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That makes sense Mavsfan, I don't think he'd be on Towns but he can guard just about any bigger player imo this side of Embiid. He has locked down 250 lb LeBron and 7 foot Durant in the past. Anyways I would like him acquired as he would turn this team from good defensively to great.

I think the avenue to making us a better defensive team is not by adding a 20 min a night wing that doesn't play offense much.  It ultimately lies with the Mavs finding a trade that upgrades Powell or THJ in the starting lineup with 2-way players who don't mess with our offensive flow (or even improve it!) and can be plus defenders.  It is not an easy task. The other avenue is for Porzingis to break out of his funk and become so dominant on offense, that we can throw another defensive only player out there with him and Luka instead of THJ.

In other words, I think the path to the Mavs acquiring those players lies in MC taking back a TON of short term money (1-2 year contracts) to get players that meet this criteria - and still keeping the Giannis dream alive!

Right I think upgrading THJ and Powell would be nice. Their deals aren't movable at the moment so the way you upgrade them is finding better players to replace them in the starting lineup. If you can get Favors for Lee + some asset I would be all for that. THJ if he plays this well is harder to replace than you think. He is a shooter, can handle the ball, has size and has actually picked it up on the defensive end. Short term I am not sure how you replace what he can do for you in the starting lineup.

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THJ

THJ is fine if he can continue his latest production. Even on an off night he draws a lot of attention from defense giving more space for others. We need an upgrade for DFS in the starting line-up.

Played within his role, played smart, shot didn't fall but that's not what matters to me when judging players.

He played excellent defense, had good positioning and moved the ball.

Some other users pointed out that they tried some different things in the last 5 minutes, used them as live practice session. So I would not judge the garbage time play of him.

I am on the fence with DFS. I like him as a glue guy in the starting lineup but I also wonder if Iguodala would be an upgrade, at least defensively.

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I'm starting to like the idea of Courtney Lee + GSW's 2nd for Thad Young to beef up the wing and better match up with the Clippers. 

I love what Jackson brings as a small ball four, but I don't think you want him guarding Kawhi or Paul George in crunch time, when the Clippers play small.

Thad Young seems like a Carlisle player. Tough, efficient, low turnover, solid defender. Seems like he would fit right in and allow the Mavs to keep some size on the floor when Porzingis moves to the five.

He's wasted on the Bulls roster.

Ya I would love that move because he is an upgrade over Powell and moves Powell to the bench with Maxi. I think Young or Favors types could be the difference maker. I like Powell's hustle and it showed in the Lakers' game. That being said I mean he has so many problems you are leaving money on the table not taking the chance to upgrade his spot in the starting lineup. He can't defend the rim, his defense overall is not great (he does move his feet well). He can't rebound, it's a miracle when he gets an offensive rebound. I like Powell but he cannot be the long-term answer next to KP in the starting lineup.

I disagree with you on Porzingis his post defense is pretty bad. He is a great help defender and paint defender but post defender he is not simply because he lacks upper body strength. 

Someone like Embid would kill him in the post. 

Porzingis is like our version of Dirk but with + defensive capabilities

[ItsGoTime]

Gordon or T Young 

When you originally proposed Thad Young, I thought he was a bigger body than he is. I thought of him as a Powell replacement. Seeing him as a 6'8 220 lb guy, I see him as more of a DFS replacement. I'd prefer a bigger body than Powell/Kleber/KP somewhere in the 6'10"-7'  height 260-70 lb area to replace Powell in the starting lineup because if you replace him with Young, KP (and Young) is in for a world of hurt in a lot of games.

[HanspardsShowerVoice]

Why is anyone concerned with post defense in a 5 when post offense by a 5 is obsolete in the NBA?

[vfromlmf]

Seeing him as a 6'8 220 lb guy

Thad Young is a beast. He can guard Kawhi and play small ball center. He can shoot the three, is efficient, low turnover, high IQ, professional. He’s an elite complimentary piece. Doesn’t matter what his stats look like. He’s not a star but he’d fit right in with the Mavs. For comparison purposes I’m watching him on NBA TV right now and he’s a bigger body (thicker & stronger) than H Barnes.

[Mavsfan12]

Thad is a good player.  Enjoyed his Shawn Marion-like game for years.  But yes... think DFS' role - not Powell's.  He is not a C and does not block shots - never has.  He is a steals guy.  He isn't a terrific rebounder either - decent for a SF - although he is better on the offensive boards somehow.  He is a below avg 3pt shooter.  A lot like Marion, he is a big SF or a small PF.

I have to say that I would not be particularly interested in him, tbh.  For the Mavs needs, there are better options.  He is an addition to make an addition, and his contract is larger than Powell's (although I think a year shorter) and has 14.2M due in '21.  He is not the player you use that space on.  Pass.  If you are dealing with CHI, OPJ is the gem and would fit like a glove in Dallas.

[deronjohn]

Why is anyone concerned with post defense in a 5 when post offense by a 5 is obsolete in the NBA?

Not completely. AD and Jokic are two good reasons to worry about post defense if we ever want to make it out of the West. There are a handful of others who will hurt us during the regular season as well.

I will say I think it's unnecessary to have a Gobert type center playing 36 mpg, but we still need a way to deal with certain matchups. For instance, AD drew two easy fouls last night on KP in the post in Q2 and took him out of the game. Our other options are Maxi who doesn't quite have the size to handle him and Powell who gets bullied constantly in the post. I could easily see Davis going for 40+ against us in the playoffs if they keep feeding him.

Thats my fear as well, you also have to look at why the Knicks beat us twice. The Knicks have about 5 guys in that 6-9 to 7ft range that play in the paint. They killed us all night long and thats because we do no have a big body thumper to play big boy ball with them. 

There are not a lot of teams built like the Knicks but there are some
Even in the Clipper game Zubac was moving everybody around in the paint he grabbed like 3 or 4 offensive rebounds. 

That is what Tyson gave us, we need someone that demands respect in the post area. KP is more a weakside defender not great at on the ball defense in the post at least not right now.

[SleepingHero]

Harrison Barnes put up a stinker tonight against the Bulls. His stats say he got 16 points on 6/16, but what the box score doesn't show you is the countless of gaffs he had as the clock ran down.

With 30 seconds left, Barnes lets the offensive rebound slip through his hands and stumbles out of bounds which forces the Kings to start fouling. With 20 seconds left, after Hield misses 3 straight 3's, Barnes manages to draw a loose ball foul but bricks a crucial free throw, effectively ending the Kings chances. 

I am SO glad he is gone.