TRADE: Davis, Hardy, DLO, Exum to WAS | Middleton, filler, 2 FRPs, 3 SRPs to DAL

[cow]

To be honest, I consider the Raptors success flukey. I think their picks will never be much worse than 20th, cause the roster simply does not have that much current or future upside. In the pre-season the Raptors were projected for 39.5 wins, which is a lottery team in the current East standings. I rate their own picks.

I´m willing to hear out the whole TPE scenarios. What´s your ideas? The thing is only valid for 12 months that realistically means NOW, the summer or at much deteriorated last minute value at the next trade deadline.

Say you wait 12 months and then take on a bad contract with three years left. Then it´s the same as doing Poeltl now, whose final year is only partially guaranteed. In two years you can move on from Poeltl´s contract already as a semi-expiring. 

I think going the other way and trading future assets to facilitate a mid-level talent like Mathurin right now is making the Porzingis trade all over again. You don´t even know what exactly is needed around Cooper and who his #2 star going to be. I´d rather have Poeltl and the 19th pick and a future 1st than giving up three 2nd rounders to get Mathurin at the same salary.

I forget the inclusion rules around the TPE so I doubt it would be possible, but Toronto's firsts while ditching Martin would make Poeeltl sting a lot less.

We've been waiting for 8 months and his value has continued to go down.

There's like a 10% chance AD would ever have value again.  Stay healthy all offseason.  Stay healthy training camp.  Stay healthy for 40-50 games next year.  Play at an All-Star level until next year's trade deadline. 

Yall really wanted to Sit around with your fingers crossed for another 12 months while your franchise is being held hostage?

I'm not advocating for anything, but I wouldn't have bothered me if the Mavs were in tax and tried to rehab AD's value a bit. While I don't think you'd ever be blown away, I do think there is a much better than 10% chance his value would rebound. I also think everyone should be skeptical we got the best value we could out of whatever AD has in who we traded him too. Maybe I'm just having KP PTSD.

[DanSchwartzgan]

I've seen some commentary that Dallas might take back some salary, but not more than the $7.4mm we are currently under the tax.  Bear in mind that we might get a few dollars back in waiving Middleton.  He's likely to get picked up by some contender.  Even if the give-back is only a minimum salary, that changes the distance to the tax to something more like $9.6mm.

[Smitty]

@WizardsMuse1
Notable info on the AD trade:

The Wizards initially tried to get KAT and Sabonis before pivoting to Davis

The trade was very unexpected and random even for the front office

Ownership wanted Dawkins to do the trade

None of the picks given were Washington's own

[windjc]

I've seen some commentary that Dallas might take back some salary, but not more than the $7.4mm we are currently under the tax.  Bear in mind that we might get a few dollars back in waiving Middleton.  He's likely to get picked up by some contender.  Even if the give-back is only a minimum salary, that changes the distance to the tax to something more like $9.6mm.

Commentary is typically worthless.

[Chicagojk]

https://x.com/all_things_mavs/status/201...66972?s=61

[cow]

https://x.com/all_things_mavs/status/201...66972?s=61

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I haven't paid attention to is career in a hot minute so maybe he's turned things around?

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

Tim McMahon says AD and Rich Paul were surprised it was the Wizards. They didn't have any involvement in this deal.

"I think this is a Matt Ricardi deal. I believe the majority of the negotiation was done by Ricardi."

[BigDirk41]

Tim McMahon says AD and Rich Paul were surprised it was the Wizards.  They didn't have any involvement in this deal.

That makes it a little better trade in my eyes..lol

[Smitty]

Current roster:

G BWill | Johnson | Nembhard*
G Christie | Klay | Branham
F Flagg | Naji | Kelly*
F PJW | Middleton | Martin
C Gafford | Bagley | Powell | Cisse*

Kyrie (OFS?)
Lively (OFS)

Where do the Mavs go from here? 17 hours…

[Smitty]

Bagley has actually been decent this year. Playing 99% of his minutes at C. His per36: 19pts, 10rbs, 3ast, 1stl, 1blk. 63%/42%/71% splits. Definitely exceeding the VetMin contract…

[DanSchwartzgan]

Tim McMahon says AD and Rich Paul were surprised it was the Wizards.  They didn't have any involvement in this deal. 

"I think this is a Matt Ricardi deal.  I believe the majority of the negotiation was done by Ricardi."

When Ricardi gets the GM job, just remember who suggested it first.

[DanSchwartzgan]

Bagley has actually been decent this year. Playing 99% of his minutes at C. His per36: 19pts, 10rbs, 3ast, 1stl, 1blk. 63%/42%/71% splits. Definitely exceeding the VetMin contract…

Is it weird that I was a little sad when I read he might be moved before getting here?  I thought it was nice to have him as he’d be a body to fill out the position for the rest of the season once Gafford was traded.  But, he hasn’t sucked this season.

[SwisherPrice]

First it was Porzingis 4 years ago and now AD. Thank you Washington for bailing us out again!

[loki]

Even though they won't have cap space, the 20.8M trade exception could be a convenient way for the Mavs to pursue free agents via sign and trade. It would allow up to a 4 year 90M deal without having to send any salary back. Maybe add a draft pick as the sweetener.

[cow]

431st in defensive rating, 389th in net rating, 420th in +/-

[Smitty]

Current roster:

G BWill | Johnson | Nembhard*
G Christie | Klay | Branham
F Flagg | Naji | Kelly*
F PJW | Middleton | Martin
C Gafford | Bagley | Powell | Cisse*

Kyrie (OFS?)
Lively (OFS)

Where do the Mavs go from here? 17 hours…

For the rest of the season it’s easy for me to see Gafford outgoing for anything really. Roll with Bagley/Powell/Cisse at C. If it’s Mathurin, I like that move for next year as a replacement in the starting lineup for PJW/Naji. The Mavs will need to rely on Point-Flagg the rest of the way no matter what they do. Should continue to help with his development.

[Jym]

Can't complain too much
Felt competent and thought out.

Did Ricardi negotiate? Just name him as the GM before Kidd wiggles his way in

[F Gump]

I'm still looking for OKC to make a move. They are staring down an impossible tax bill for 2026-27, so are more or less going to be forced to decline TO's on all 3 of Hartenstein, Dort, and K Williams. If they decline all 3, that still probably lands them OVER the tax line (which they avoid) with the salaries for the FRPs.

Before they dump any of those guys into free agency, they will want to sell for value if they can. But taking back salary probably is a deal-killer.

In theory they might move a diff player --- then again, who?

All in all, they have major roster-changing work staring them in the face. I have to think they aim for doing some of it now, if they can.

[FireNicoHarrison]

SGA out... That OKC pick is better right now.

[FireNicoHarrison]

Tim McMahon says AD and Rich Paul were surprised it was the Wizards.  They didn't have any involvement in this deal. 

"I think this is a Matt Ricardi deal.  I believe the majority of the negotiation was done by Ricardi."

I like Ricardi.

Rich Paul is the Devil. Screw him will give us some karma.... Like SGA injury. Good