2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[Kammrath]

so it's not really a legitimate source to change the title of the thread...except on a messageboard run by folks who are predisposed to hate KP

[StepBackJay]

It would make sense tho for Norman Powell to be a top target though. I have thought this whole time there's no way Portland gets outspent but you never know. I do think you have to overpay to get NP here.

[Kammrath]

legionhoopsross just throws stuff against the wall. I don't trust anything he says.

100% disagree. 

I think he is at least connected to the level that Fisher has been. He is a mouthpiece type guy, but still has legit info from time to time.

[StepBackJay]

100% disagree. 

I think he is at least connected to the level that Fisher has been. He is a mouthpiece type guy, but still has legit info from time to time.

He just throws stuff against the wall.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/stat...3923068939

Ross from Legion Hoops. Guy has legit NBA sources in the northeast of the country. I speculated that the info came from inside the Knicks office or another team in that area who is aware of conversations the Mavs are having around the league. I also speculated that it could have been Janis feeding Ross info. 

Don't think it is total BS and is certainly founded in something. It might not represent 100% of the truth, but I think there is something to it.

We'll see... Undoubtedly they make a few moves just because they have a new regime. How big is yet to be determined.

[Mapka]

Can @"Kammrath" or someone point me to the source for "Trading KP top priority" - did someone mention that somewhere? I am looking through back-scroll and I don't see anything.

Mavs2021 is calling for it in every post xD

[TXBamanut]

It's not.  But it's an opinion community...

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100% disagree. 

I think he is at least connected to the level that Fisher has been. He is a mouthpiece type guy, but still has legit info from time to time.

What legit calls has he made that were attributed to him?
What legit MAVS calls has he made that were attributed to him?

Saying he's the level of Fisher...a mouthpiece of whom?  The current GM or POBO?  Because regardless of accuracy, we know who Fisher was washing the truck of and getting misinformation/information from, which allowed us to take it with a grain of salt...we don't know jack about this guy, at all.

THAT BEING SAID...wouldn't trade you guys for a dollar and a quarter, to quote the Griffith.  

[Okstate819]

https://twitter.com/all_things_mavs/stat...39115?s=21

[Kammrath]

Move KP for a wing. Go get John Collins. Close to plan A.

100% agree. With ONE addition... get a starting C (like Richaun Holmes) to go next to JC. 

My current "ideal" offseason is trade KP for Dejounte Murray (if at all possible), sign and trade for JC, and then sign Holmes.

[Okstate819]

It's not.  But it's an opinion community...

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What legit calls has he made that were attributed to him?
What legit MAVS calls has he made that were attributed to him?

Saying he's the level of Fisher...a mouthpiece of whom?  The current GM or POBO?  Because regardless of accuracy, we know who Fisher was washing the truck of and getting misinformation/information from, which allowed us to take it with a grain of salt...we don't know jack about this guy, at all.

THAT BEING SAID...wouldn't trade you guys for a dollar and a quarter, to quote the Griffith.  

He was right about KD and Kyrie to BKN before anyone else. Could’ve been dumb luck who knows. Been right about a few other things over the last couple years. Also been wrong on a lot. He throws everything he hears out there, but I think he does have sources of some kind.

[Kammrath]

Been right about a few other things over the last couple years. Also been wrong on a lot. He throws everything he hears out there, but I think he does have sources of some kind.

Very accurate portrayal of him.

[TXBamanut]

He was right about KD and Kyrie to BKN before anyone else. Could’ve been dumb luck who knows. Been right about a few other things over the last couple years. Also been wrong on a lot. He throws everything he hears out there, but I think he does have sources of some kind.

I'll take your word for it on KD and Kyrie, because I can't find that he was first on that...

I still have seen nothing about the Mavs from him...I wouldn't trust that he has any idea of the "top priority" of the Mavs.

[Kammrath]

I still have seen nothing about the Mavs from him...I wouldn't trust that he has any idea of the "top priority" of the Mavs.

Right, I do NOT think he has any inside connection to DAL to know what the REAL priority is for the new front office. 

HOWEVER, I think he has other team insiders telling him that THEIR impression is that trading KP is the top priority. 

Is trading KP the top priority? Only DAL knows. But other teams seeing the activity of DAL get the idea that it is their main objective. That's how I am understanding this.

[ItsGoTime]

My current "ideal" offseason is trade KP for Dejounte Murray (if at all possible), sign and trade for JC, and then sign Holmes.

I would be on board if it played out like this. Murray isn't the prize in a KP dump though. Should be able to get at least a first off SA as well.

[Kammrath]

Murray isn't the prize in a KP dump though. Should be able to get at least a first off SA as well.

Watch out....you are probably going to get blasted for this.....


BUT I agree with you that it is possible that is the value of KP. Again, hard to say. I think Murray+Poeltl would be my desire unless I know I can get Holmes signed as center.

[ItsGoTime]

Watch out....you are probably going to get blasted for this.....


BUT I agree with you that it is possible that is the value of KP. Again, hard to say. I think Murray+Poeltl would be my desire unless I know I can get Holmes signed as center.

Nah, the prize for KP isn't Murray, it's Collins and Holmes. Poeltl would be fine in the trade as well to be the backup to Holmes if we're getting rid of Powell and WCS. That gives us the new C lineup of Holmes/Poeltl/Boban.

That's why I believe at least a first from SA is needed in the trade (23 first that is protected which we swap with NY for our 1st and 2 of their seconds cause SA's is a higher probability to be a better pick). 

Order of operation:

We get Collins and Holmes to say yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get the trade figured out with Atl to let go of Collins
Make this trade just before executing all the rest of the plan.

[SleepingHero]

I think he is at least connected to the level that Fisher has been

Comparing a guy to Mike Fisher, who literally hasn't been right in the last 5 years, isn't a ringing endorsement. 

"Exclusive exclusive!"

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What legit calls has he made that were attributed to him?

He did correctly call Kyrie+Durant were signing with Brooklyn last summer. Other than that I don't think he's gotten anything notable right.

[mvossman]

What do you consider a minor asset?   I watched a few Bagley games early in the season and his defense was awful.  But I need to believe what I saw in college as he was my second favorite prospect in that draft.   

Even with a new front office though, I don't think they trade him to Dallas even if Dallas had a legit offer or interest.   Can you imagine being a fan of the Kings and already being upset by passing on Luka only to see Bagley flourish playing next to Luka?

I don't want to rip on your pre draft assessment, but this is what he was: A dynamic offensive talent that could not shoot or play defense.  That is a tough fit in todays modern game.  I felt like there were three guys clearly better than the rest (Luka, JJJ, Ayton) and then a huge gulf.  Picking at 5 I had little hope to get one of them as Bagley was the only hope going ahead of any of them.

There has been a lot of talk about the Suns, Hawks and Griz running better organizations than the Mavs, and there is definitely some truth to that, but they all had a chance to get Luka at a smaller asset cost than it took the Mavs, and yet it was Donnie who pulled the trigger.  I still lean towards most of our issues from a FO perspective being at Cuban's feet, and we would probably have been a lot better off if he had let Donnie be a true GM.

[VintagePejav2]

A hypothetical lineup of Luka-Dejounte-Dorian-John-Richaun could be top 5 defensively, but where is the secondary play-making coming from? Murray is essentially a wing that can’t shoot. This would probably create even more offensive pressure on Luka.

Don’t get me wrong.. I like it. I like it a lot. Maybe there’s enough goodwill between Nico and the Spurs front office to make that KP deal happen, but I thought the primary takeaway from last season is that the Mavs top need was another ball-handler that could create his own shot?

[ItsGoTime]

1. There has been a lot of talk about the Suns, Hawks and Griz running better organizations than the Mavs, and there is definitely some truth to that, but they all had a chance to get Luka at a smaller asset cost than it took the Mavs, and yet it was Donnie who pulled the trigger. 

2. I still lean towards most of our issues from a FO perspective being at Cuban's feet, and we would probably have been a lot better off if he had let Donnie be a true GM.

1. The truth to that is not about 1 decision. Sure, we got Luka right. Great, I'm glad we can swing for home runs and get a grand slam. Problem is those other teams are scoring every other inning (1-2 runs per), and we got the 1 grand slam. It's a blow out, but we got that Sportscenter moment!

2. If Donnie didn't have enough backbone to fight for making MC let him make the decisions or quit, what makes you think we would have probably been better off if MC gave him the ability? If he ever gets another high end FO job in the NBA, maybe we'll see something from him. I'm willing to bet either he doesn't get that job, or he doesn't do much with it.