Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST

[Chicagojk]

GSW would be moving on from guys they no longer want (Green and Kuminga).  I think you are right in that there almost has to be a 3rd team because GSW is so close to Apron 2.  So, part of the Dallas return is what GSW would have received for Kuminga.  So, the core of a Chicago based deal is AD to GSW, Green/White to Dallas and Kuminga to Chicago.  The trick is who gets what as you fill it out from there.  The guardrails you have to manage are keeping Chicago out of the tax and GSW under the second apron.

Anyway to do it without Green?  Green is a pain to deal with and not the player he was.  Although if Golden State plans to try to contend, I think you need Green.  Him and Ad are not great fits due to shooting but if you surrounded them with shooting maybe it wouldn’t matter.

As far as the comment about White up, I agree.  He would just be an interesting look at.  The golden state picks would be the main attraction.  No idea if that trade is doable or how willing GS would want to part with valuable future picks.

[DanSchwartzgan]

Anyway to do it without Green?  Green is a pain to deal with and not the player he was.  Although if Golden State plans to try to contend, I think you need Green.  Him and Ad are not great fits due to shooting but if you surrounded them with shooting maybe it wouldn’t matter.

As far as the comment about White up, I agree.  He would just be an interesting look at.  The golden state picks would be the main attraction.  No idea if that trade is doable or how willing GS would want to part with valuable future picks.

I think Golden State may be done with Green. I really think that’s part of why this is coming up. We have to take longer term when we start thinking about these pieces. Such a deal wouldn’t be about Green the player, although he would be a stop app at center to finish out the season. This would be about piling up expiring contracts that can be used either this summer or next winter. You’d have green and Klay and Hardy and DLo.  At some point that starts to add up to a pretty good player if some opportunity comes along.

[KillerLeft]

The main piece for the warriors would be future picks. That could be very intriguing.  If it was a three team could you wind up with Coby white, salary and two future warriors picks?

What picks do they have to trade? If they're more than a year out (but not too much farther out), and the protections are light enough, hopefully non-existent, then this could be a good score. Not sure how likely that is, but forget what anyone thinks about Coby White (I like him). A player of that caliber (could be someone else) and picks like those is about the best case scenario. I'd pull the trigger on that, but not a lesser package. Those (hypothetical) picks, if they're good enough, would be too good to pass up.

[KillerLeft]

So, the core of a Chicago based deal is AD to GSW, Green/White to Dallas and Kuminga to Chicago.  The trick is who gets what as you fill it out from there.  The guardrails you have to manage are keeping Chicago out of the tax and GSW under the second apron.

It would take significant draft capital for me to 1) Give up AD, 2) throw my body on top of the Draymond Green grenade (I buy your logic of investing in him as an expiring, but there will be some unpleasant episodes between now and the realization of that mission) and 3) doing that in a way that ensures your "guardrails." I'm higher on the White audition than most seem to be, but that's not nearly enough.

There is a level of draft capital that would make this worthwhile, of course. I wonder if the teams would pay it?

[Winter]

I wouldn't expect Green to be an instant problem here. We wouldn't have him for long, and as unpredictable as he is he can be a decent player and person. And I get why GS would need to package him specifically. Klay's presence also might be helpful if he is still here.

The future picks are critical though. Without those, it's not enough.

[Mavs2021]

It would take significant draft capital for me to 1) Give up AD, 2) throw my body on top of the Draymond Green grenade (I buy your logic of investing in him as an expiring, but there will be some unpleasant episodes between now and the realization of that mission) and 3) doing that in a way that ensures your "guardrails." I'm higher on the White audition than most seem to be, but that's not nearly enough.

There is a level of draft capital that would make this worthwhile, of course. I wonder if the teams would pay it?

Don´t underestimate the value of Draymond Green. He has a podcast and an Inside the NBA slot. If JJR´s podcast is worth a 2nd round pick, surely the Warriors can expect a 1st from Cuban for such positive media exposure.

[Mavs2021]

Now on a more serious note, I´d rather take a chance on Kuminga than have the expiring of DG, unless the Warriors give the Mavs 2-3 1st round picks for taking on that POS. Kuminga has played his whole career under the same coach and system. There is a chance he could become a better player with a change of scenery. That´s why you need to evaluate sharply. I remember people were losing their sh*t, when I suggested trading THJ to Miami for Robinson and a Miami 1st round pick, when he was slumping. Turns out Robinson has been a better and cheaper player than Klay and his decreasing contract has become fair value against an exploding cap.

[Mavs2021]

I wouldn't expect Green to be an instant problem here. We wouldn't have him for long, and as unpredictable as he is he can be a decent player and person.

He´s a decent person? What´s your threshold here? Diddy, Epstein, Hitler? The guy would still be in jail, if he was regular joe on the streets and did all the things he performed under the disguise of an sports environment. I cannot think of a less decent and immature person in the NBA than Draymond.

[Winter]

He´s a decent person? What´s your threshold here? Diddy, Epstein, Hitler? The guy would still be in jail, if he was regular joe on the streets and did all the things he performed under the disguise of an sports environment. I cannot think of a less decent and immature person in the NBA than Draymond.

He's not a problem in the community. He's had a fight with Poole, and altercations with Kerr. The refs don't love him.

But if you're going to make this trade, you're going to get him.

[FireNicoHarrison]

Draymond "Steph back pack" Green? OMG.

I prefer extend street clothes 500M for 5 years.

[mvossman]

Now on a more serious note, I´d rather take a chance on Kuminga than have the expiring of DG, unless the Warriors give the Mavs 2-3 1st round picks for taking on that POS. Kuminga has played his whole career under the same coach and system. There is a chance he could become a better player with a change of scenery. That´s why you need to evaluate sharply. I remember people were losing their sh*t, when I suggested trading THJ to Miami for Robinson and a Miami 1st round pick, when he was slumping. Turns out Robinson has been a better and cheaper player than Klay and his decreasing contract has become fair value against an exploding cap.

I don't think a change of scenery is going to turn Kuminga into a shooter.  If the goal is to build around Flagg, he seems like a poor choice.  I'm not interested in dealing with Green either.  I feel like there are way better options with Atlanta than GS.

[Chicagojk]

I don't know much about their former #1 pick.  It does look like he has taken a step back this year after a semi promising rookie year.   Still only 20 and has good measurables.

I also don't know what Asa Newell is.  Is he a tweener type?  He did play with Flagg in HS and I believe they are good friends.   

Are both with a future first possible?  Seems like that would be a lot for ATL.

[Mavs2021]

I don't think a change of scenery is going to turn Kuminga into a shooter.  If the goal is to build around Flagg, he seems like a poor choice.  I'm not interested in dealing with Green either.  I feel like there are way better options with Atlanta than GS.

I have no opinion on Kuminga either way, but I lean toward your assessment and have no delusion about him. The evaluation is more Kuminga vs. other offers. Like who is better Kuminga or Risacher?

But logically there must be some significant compensation for the Mavs to take Green instead of Kuminga in a three-way trade, which I have now seen proposed multiple times. 

Green is just a crazy has been on an expiring contract. Kuminga is a young maybe with a team option. If you don´t like what you see from Kuminga, you can just waive him in the summer. If he suddenly becomes a downhilll force in Dallas and shoots 38% from three. Then you can just keep him for another 12 months to see whether it´s sustainable or you keep him to re-trade him. Either way Kuminga is a MUCH better asset than Draymond. I don´t see a reason to accept that thug over Kuminga unless somebody throws picks the Mavs way.

[KillerLeft]

I wouldn't expect Green to be an instant problem here. We wouldn't have him for long, and as unpredictable as he is he can be a decent player and person. And I get why GS would need to package him specifically. Klay's presence also might be helpful if he is still here.

The future picks are critical though. Without those, it's not enough.

I don't mean to suggest he'd be an "instant problem," as in he'd show up determined to pee in the chili. But, here's what I think:

1) traded away from the Warriors, probably without wanting to be.

2) to a team ill-suited to benefit from his very niche skill set. I suppose there's room for disagreement here, but I don't see any way for him to be a positive on the floor here, even in the short term. He could take over for Lively/AD as a hub in some of those DHO plays...who knows, maybe that would have a positive impact on the offense, but I doubt it. It takes a WHILE to develop the kind of chemistry needed for his value on offense to show. 

3) the team will continue to lose, which won't be fun, and it will be clear to him that he's not coming here to be part of the near future/solution. For a guy like Green, I'd say it's likely he'll immediately be very focused on securing his next opportunity, his next contract, his next team. He'll want the shortest possible route to the next place where he'll actually matter. He'll want to get to where he'll end his career, just like Thompson thought he was doing. Green will want that agency. 

I just think this would be a move that would make the team much worse in the short term, and more importantly, it puts "the short term" out there in public. "We're transitioning," this would say, and while we here might take comfort in that, I highly, highly doubt Green will be excited to be part of it. Ditto for PJW, Gafford, Thompson, DLO, Kyrie...It would be the beginning of some very uncomfortable truths being swallowed in that locker room, I think, and there WOULD be fallout from that. But, as I said, if the price is right, I'd do it.

[KillerLeft]

As far as Kuminga goes, I'm not interested. You can easily point to problems with his fit, but the thing that really bothers me is that he's been on the trade market for what feels like 4 years, at this point. Nobody seems to want him. That's enough to tell me there's something about him we're overrating, or something about him or his situation we don't know.

[khaled1987]

https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/s/KO3IAzVoIc

https://www.reddit.com/r/AtlantaHawks/s/xg23THRRzF

https://x.com/NBAonPrime/status/2004801033382265216

Here is Haynes talking about AD and Hawks. The wording is a bit tricky, I am not sure if he is talking from Mavs or Hawks perspective, but likely the Mavs. No Trae which makes sense tbh, he is worth more for the Hawks if you pair him with AD and they could convince him into discount renewal in the summer? Zaccharie Risacher is mentioned as essentially the core of the trade, along picks. He is very young, as he is just 20, but he is also a role player at this point and I am not sure if he has it in him to be something more. 


About GSW, this is Haynes talking about them. 
https://x.com/NBAonPrime/status/2004801896658161809

[KillerLeft]

https://x.com/NBAonPrime/status/2004801033382265216

Here is Haynes talking about AD and Hawks. The wording is a bit tricky, I am not sure if he is talking from Mavs or Hawks perspective, but likely the Mavs. No Trae which makes sense tbh, he is worth more for the Hawks if you pair him with AD and they could convince him into discount renewal in the summer? Zaccharie Risacher is mentioned as essentially the core of the trade, along picks. He is very young, as he is just 20, but he is also a role player at this point and I am not sure if he has it in him to be something more. 


About GSW, this is Haynes talking about them. 
https://x.com/NBAonPrime/status/2004801896658161809

I think Risacher would be a good piece in any AD trade. Not enough for me to pull the trigger, because he's not the asset his recent draft status suggests by a long shot, BUT, he's the right type of 3 to put next to Flagg in the front court. Fast, defender (perimeter), catch and shoot. It's not unlike the Nesmith idea someone had the other day...maybe better, maybe worse. Time will tell, but he's more age appropriate for what the Mavs would be looking for if they completely turn the page.

[KillerLeft]

https://x.com/NBAonPrime/status/2004801033382265216

Here is Haynes talking about AD and Hawks. The wording is a bit tricky, I am not sure if he is talking from Mavs or Hawks perspective, but likely the Mavs. No Trae which makes sense tbh, he is worth more for the Hawks if you pair him with AD and they could convince him into discount renewal in the summer? Zaccharie Risacher is mentioned as essentially the core of the trade, along picks. He is very young, as he is just 20, but he is also a role player at this point and I am not sure if he has it in him to be something more. 


About GSW, this is Haynes talking about them. 
https://x.com/NBAonPrime/status/2004801896658161809

Great clips, both, thanks!

The first one is definitely more from the Mavs' perspective than ATL's, imo. In fact, both are. The takeaways for me are 1) The Mavs don't want Trae Young, but would be interested in Risacher and some good picks (so would I) and 2) "the Mavericks don't really like what's on the GS books, so a third team would be needed" means "The Mavs don't want Kuminga." 

Interesting that he speaks as if GS's motivation would be to put AD with Curry AND Green. Butler wasn't mentioned. I don't know if this was just misspeaking, or maybe if he's just a little clueless. I also know that the math involved probably means something like this can only be done a few ways, so maybe it HAS to be Green. Just saying, I noticed that.

[mvossman]

I think Risacher would be a good piece in any AD trade. Not enough for me to pull the trigger, because he's not the asset his recent draft status suggests by a long shot, BUT, he's the right type of 3 to put next to Flagg in the front court. Fast, defender (perimeter), catch and shoot. It's not unlike the Nesmith idea someone had the other day...maybe better, maybe worse. Time will tell, but he's more age appropriate for what the Mavs would be looking for if they completely turn the page.

That was me, and I think Nesmith is a really good comp for Risacher.  I would prefer the later because he is so much younger.  I had mentioned this a while ago, but I would pull the trigger for KP (salary relief) + Risacher + 27 pick.

[mvossman]

Great clips, both, thanks!

The first one is definitely more from the Mavs' perspective than ATL's, imo. In fact, both are. The takeaways for me are 1) The Mavs don't want Trae Young, but would be interested in Risacher and some good picks (so would I) and 2) "the Mavericks don't really like what's on the GS books, so a third team would be needed" means "The Mavs don't want Kuminga." 

If this is truly reflecting how the Mavs are thinking, I have more hope for the interim GM team.