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[mvossman]

Exactly how we felt about Tyson Chandler back in 2011.

I wasn't on this board back then, but I don't remember that being the sentiment at all.  Not to mention it was a totally different world.  Chandler extension would not be near the size of what AD is looking for, he was 27/28 as opposed 32/33 and the CBA was much softer back then.  Its way more punishing now to strap yourself to an albatross contract.

[Winter]

Sort of agree with Mvossman about priorities.

I know one can make the argument to see how Kyrie and AD impact Flagg and the Mavs play. But to me, I feel like I can visualize the end-point of all that.

The other argument is to prioritize draft capital and young players, and to start adding building blocks.

That's more compelling to me.

[michaeltex]

 

They have the Clippers pick this year and next year. Those will both be lottery picks.

Nope. Checked multiple sites. If it's lottery 1-8, then it doesn't convey to OKC.

Here's the link to the OKC picks at RealGM

Also future UTAH picks status. There's a lot of 2027 swap opportunities involved, so I don't know where it lands, but the possibilities don't include OKC.

[michaeltex]

I wasn't on this board back then, but I don't remember that being the sentiment at all.  Not to mention it was a totally different world.  Chandler extension would not be near the size of what AD is looking for, he was 27/28 as opposed 32/33 and the CBA was much softer back then.  Its way more punishing now to strap yourself to an albatross contract.

Surely AD will not expect a max contract when he's next eligible, at age 35. He has a PO for the 27-28 season for ~$65M, but beyond that I don't see him getting another max, or anywhere close. Ideally, he gets comfy here, helps with a couple of deep playoff runs while watching Flagg mature, then declines his PO to sign a 3-1 contract at a reduced rate to extend his paydays and help with roster building. But that's probably just me having too much holiday cheer.

[mvossman]

Surely AD will not expect a max contract when he's next eligible, at age 35. He has a PO for the 27-28 season for ~$65M, but beyond that I don't see him getting another max, or anywhere close. Ideally, he gets comfy here, helps with a couple of deep playoff runs while watching Flagg mature, then declines his PO to sign a 3-1 contract at a reduced rate to extend his paydays and help with roster building. But that's probably just me having too much holiday cheer.

I have heard suggested a Kyrie type contract (which is significantly less than his max extension).  In my mind there is a high probably that contract would turn into an albatross relatively soon.

[Kidnova]

I can't remember what version of this board we were in during 2011, so I can't give any links, but I can tell you that very, very few of us were believers in that team. 

For what it's worth, we were on the Scout boards back then, because I first joined right around the time of the Tyson Chandler trade. I totally dismissed the trade as garbage, naturally.

[Mavs2021]

Nope. Checked multiple sites. If it's lottery 1-8, then it doesn't convey to OKC.

Here's the link to the OKC picks at RealGM

Also future UTAH picks status. There's a lot of 2027 swap opportunities involved, so I don't know where it lands, but the possibilities don't include OKC.

Two of most favourable of LAC (unprotected), Philly (protected 1-4) and Utah (protected 1-8), which means they´ll convert the unprotected Clippers pick and probably the Sixers pick, since Utah is currently and will tank into the bottom eight.

Just check Tankathon, they always include the swaps/conversions.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

[Jakeospikez]

Just curious...Mavs pick 11th...would you trade that pick and PJ for Trey Murphy?

Imo no way. Players in the 11th pick range are generally high quality. You could get a Trey Murphy or maybe even someone better than Trey Murphy. Could be worse but a total bust is pretty rare. There's no rush to win now. Rookie contracts keep you flexible financially so I'd keep the pick for financial reasons alone already. Strong draft class further enforces this.

I don't think history is in their favor.  Most champions have a core that have played together for multiple years, generally getting some playoff experience together during that ramp up time.  A lot of times they will add a key piece to put them over the top, but there is generally a strong core with years of experience together.  Our top three guys have not played a single game together.  Two of them have been on the team for less than a year.  We are asking those guys to build whole lot of chemistry very quickly.[/color]

Lebron, Jokic and Ginnis all took at least 8 years to win a title and they were all around 27.  It takes a lot of time to get to the point where you can be a number one option on a title team.  Its asking an awful lot for Flagg to do it in his early 20s.

This is going back some but this situation could be closer to Tim Duncan than a Lebron. Those guys teams were terrible while Duncan had a hof vet/coach to play with in a good situation.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

I think Trey Murphy > the #11 pick and PJ

But right now, we can dream about the pick. That it'll turn into a long term running mate for Cooper. I don't think Murphy is a long term #2.

He'd fit great on this current team around Kyrie, AD, and Coop.

[Chicagojk]

I don’t think there is a clear answer on direction.  For me that is sort of fun.  I think in time a clear answer will present itself.  Hopefully before it is too late.

I have been a Mavs fan for a long time.  Almost walked away.  Personally I have always enjoyed the build and the discussions around it rather than expecting to win every game.

I am in Killer’s side at the moment.  For me it boils down to two issues.  One is how good Flagg is already.  The other one is I am very lukewarm to any of the AD trades I have seen.  I understand he does not have a ton of suitors but I only want to move him if I get back a clear asset that matches the upside AD can provide.  I am willing to gamble on his health if no deal materializes.

[windjc]

How good will the Mavs be next year with an All-NBA Flagg, AD, and a fully recovered Kyrie?

Answer = better than the Championship runners-up Mavs team. The team can absolutely win the Championship next year if the Thunder somehow get some issues around a three-peat.

You don’t blow up a team that can/will be that good. Take your pick at number 15-20 or whatever and draft another All-Star. There’s always at least one around there or later every year. You have to draft a “him”’every time you draft if you want to be competitive with the Thunder.

[Mavs2021]

How good will the Mavs be next year with an All-NBA Flagg, AD, and a fully recovered Kyrie?

Answer = better than the Championship runners-up Mavs team. The team can absolutely win the Championship next year if the Thunder somehow get some issues around a three-peat.

If they are better than the Luka finals team, why do they need the Thunder to have issues. That inferior Luka team beat the Thunder 4-2.

[windjc]

If they are better than the Luka finals team, why do they need the Thunder to have issues. That inferior Luka team beat the Thunder 4-2.

Probably. This current Thunder team would be that old one 4-0.

[F Gump]

I haven't seen people writing about it, but OKC's upside with the picks doesn't insulate them from the issue that the more talent you have the more expensive your payroll tends to get. It look like OKC will have to shed MASSIVE salary in the summer of 2026. Talent will be headed out the door.

If I am seeing correctly, their contract trajectory puts them more than $20M over the Apron 2 limit in the summer - and that does NOT include payroll for the extra FRPs. Adding those at Tankathon's current slots at 3, 20, and 24, puts them at around 265M payroll, which leaves them with a tax bill approaching 300M.

Obviously they will not let that happen.

How they do that, and the changes it makes to their roster, should be interesting. It doesn't necessarily mean they will be a lot worse, but every change to a roster has a ripple effect.

[loki]

I view any short term success with the current roster as fool's gold. Contending in the West is going to require giving up more future assets to add talent. Maybe they can shuffle some guys around for better fitting pieces, but I don't think that's nearly enough. They can't realistically expect to do the two timelines thing and have a shot against teams like OKC, Houston, and Denver. AD and Kyrie will be 33 and 34 next year. The window, if it's open at all, is going to be slamming shut extremely quickly.

[Chicagojk]

With OKC loss last night. Dallas is only 14 games behind OKC. Just sayin.

[Smitty]

With OKC loss last night.  Dallas is only 14 games behind OKC.  Just sayin.

LOL.

In all seriousness. I agree with bits and pieces from everyone about the Mavs present and immediate future.

My overall stance would probably lean more with KL’s line of thinking. This team’s ceiling, with the current core, in ‘25-‘26 and ‘26-‘27 is as high as Flagg can take them. It’s up to just how good he can be and how quickly he gets there. A trio of Davis-Flagg-Kyrie is up there with the best of them… if Flagg can challenge Davis for ‘best on the team’.

I think the Mavs have done the hard part already in assembling a “Big 3”. I also think their role players are very talented and mostly on great deals, making them positive “assets” to make the necessary moves to increase the effectiveness of that “Big 3”. I think it’s pretty obvious this team is missing some playmaking and shooting. Kyrie will help for sure, but I want another guy like that. Maybe the player is Coby White, Mathurin, etc.. OR maybe that guy is the Mavs ‘26 draft pick. Either way, I’m still rooting for the Mavs to win games this year despite it not being the popular thing to do. I really want to see what this team looks like with Kyrie in the mix. I think it’ll give us a better idea of where we stand and what we need moving forward.

As always, health will be a factor. No…. It will be THE factor. Sigh.

[david75090]

With OKC loss last night.  Dallas is only 14 games behind OKC.  Just sayin.

It's a marathon, not a sprint.

[ThisIStheYear]

Exactly how we felt about Tyson Chandler back in 2011.

I mean, we weren’t building around an 18 year old back then, and that team was coming off a title.

[ThisIStheYear]

How good will the Mavs be next year with an All-NBA Flagg, AD, and a fully recovered Kyrie?

Answer = better than the Championship runners-up Mavs team. The team can absolutely win the Championship next year if the Thunder somehow get some issues around a three-peat.

You don’t blow up a team that can/will be that good. Take your pick at number 15-20 or whatever and draft another All-Star. There’s always at least one around there or later every year. You have to draft a “him”’every time you draft if you want to be competitive with the Thunder.

It’s not about tanking or anything like that, it’s just a complete non starter to extend AD and put yourself in permanent Apron Hell while trying to build around Flagg. That’s malpractice. AD leaving soon is inevitable. For the Mavs, it’s just about maximizing what you can get for him and timing.