Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist

[Jmaciscool]

I'm assuming it's referring to a post a couple of pages back that indicated a post was deleted for to antagonism.

[KillerLeft]

I'm assuming it's referring to a post a couple of pages back that indicated a post was deleted for to antagonism.

Oh, I get it. He thought it was FGump's post that got deleted. Not the case, but an easy mistake to make.

[Scott41theMavs]

Oh, I get it. He thought it was FGump's post that got deleted. Not the case, but an easy mistake to make.

To be fair, I did too. Whose was it?

[KillerLeft]

To be fair, I did too. Whose was it?

It was the troll's response to a FGump post that SH deleted.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

Probably i will give a free try to Lindsey... At least he is already in the organization.

pretty sure he’s no longer here

[HoosierDaddyKid]

pretty sure he’s no longer here

He's in Detroit last I checked.

[Jmaciscool]

I appreciate this constructive critique. I will make a forum announcement later to say ALL Luka posts be contained in this Luka thread. Further I will unstick this Luka thread from the main page. 


I don’t want this place to delve into an echo chamber. I think we are all dealing with an unprecedented moment that has quite literally never happened in the history of the NBA. I don’t think it’s unreasonable some people are still wildly negative about this franchise nearly a month later.


But I’ve read your words, I agree with them. I want this place to have a better conversation. On the whole though, those with rational, more reasonable things post less and less frequently, and we are left with emotional reactions. 


And if I am asked by the more reasonable crew to delete these emotional reactionary posts, well what are we left with? I suppose I am asking everyone to be the change we want to see, rather than constantly complain about it.

Also as someone with he ability to modify and delete posts, I don’t know what you are referring to when you said one of the biggest contributors got their post deleted. I didn’t do any thing like that. Please let me know what happened so that I can look into that.


Finally, I do this moderating thing for fun. The Mavs are fun for me. I don’t get a dime doing any of this. I am trying to cultivate a place where we can have reasonable discussion. But I am no expert. I apologize you feel like this place is trending in the opposite direction of where you want it to be. Bear with me and KL. We’re trying. 

Until then, let’s try and be that change. Thank you for making a nice constructive post.

Tbh, this board has kept me more tethered to the Mavs than the actual team has. I was ready to give the Mavs and NBA a long (maybe permanent) break, but I couldn't stop reading this board and I got sucked back in. Appreciate all the work that's put into keeping it a great place!

[KillerLeft]

Tbh, this board has kept me more tethered to the Mavs than the actual team has. I was ready to give the Mavs and NBA a long (maybe permanent) break, but I couldn't stop reading this board and I got sucked back in. Appreciate all the work that's put into keeping it a great place!

Thanks for the kind words. I know they were directed at SH, but I think the sentiment was intended for a wider array of contributors, and I share the sentiment. 

I think it's important to remember that there are good (and less than ideal) contributions coming from both sides of the fence when it comes to this divisive direction the front office has set us on. I believe it would help a great deal if everyone tried to remind themselves that nobody here is responsible for what has happened.

[The Jom]

Luka is so back. Q1 vs. the Clips, 12 points, 4/5 FGs, 3/4 3Ps, 3 rbs, 3 assts, 1/3 FTs, 4 TOs. That’s normal Luka right there. The league is in trouble.

[audiosway]

He's in Detroit last I checked.

He's the Senior VP of basketball now in Detroit.

[ClutchDirk]

My 2 cents...

I have watched the Mavs since they were born in 1980...I was a Reunion Rowdie and damn proud of it...back then Brad Davis was one of my favorite players along with Larry Bird...then the 90s came and I watched as Perot Jr. and a used car salesman turned the franchise into the biggest joke in sports history...we had 3 young players but a controversy with a certain female lead to the demise of the 3 Js...that whole time I was in Dallas and got laughed at because I still wore my Mavs gear in public...then the Nelsons and Cuban came in and we had a big 3 of Dirk, Nash, and Finley...we ended the Malone and Stockton legacy in game 5...soon Nash was deemed too risky to keep around due to health concerns...then we got screwed by the refs gifting the Heat a title...next season we got embarrassed in the first round...soon Dirk finally got enough help and having the greatest playoff run in history...CBA expert Cuban decided to nuke that team and Benedict Kidd left for another team...Cuban decided to go big fishing annually while quality FAs got snagged up immediately each FA year...kept getting the We Love Our Boys in Blue speeches...Finally we got Dirk's heir in Luka...lived through the KP drama...now we have Luka being dealt to our enemy for a unacceptable return...45 years of ups and downs...

As a MFFL I still will be cheering on the only team I've ever loved...this is still not as bad as the 90s and I stuck through it...the day I quit cheering the Mavs is the day I stop breathing...

Now more than ever we should be using our energy to root for our team not attack each other...the Mods who I worked with  for a while only had the best interests of the community who have done this on the side with nothing in return to keep this place alive..they are humans and are not perfect and just like me have made mistakes doing their job...at least you don't have Fish being a final decision maker and instead multiple folks who make major decisions as a group instead of my way or the highway...this place is add free and not driven by filling someone's wallet...

Live long and prosper...and be a good human...

[SleepingHero]

Do you see what SH's underbanner is?

Yeah my bad. I apologize for my vulgar banner. I made it the morning after the trade happened and I was in a very angry and emotional state, as most of us were.

Since then, I truthfully forgot I had it. It kind of paints a double standard, and bad picture, when a moderator has profanity on his profile while asking others to keep decorum in their posts. 

Dropped the ball here and I'll try to do better. Hope you can understand. 

I've since changed it to reflect my true feelings on this matter, while keeping positivity that we are all wanting/needing!

[SleepingHero]

My 2 cents...

I have watched the Mavs since they were born in 1980...I was a Reunion Rowdie and damn proud of it...back then Brad Davis was one of my favorite players along with Larry Bird...then the 90s came and I watched as Perot Jr. and a used car salesman turned the franchise into the biggest joke in sports history...we had 3 young players but a controversy with a certain female lead to the demise of the 3 Js...that whole time I was in Dallas and got laughed at because I still wore my Mavs gear in public...then the Nelsons and Cuban came in and we had a big 3 of Dirk, Nash, and Finley...we ended the Malone and Stockton legacy in game 5...soon Nash was deemed too risky to keep around due to health concerns...then we got screwed by the refs gifting the Heat a title...next season we got embarrassed in the first round...soon Dirk finally got enough help and having the greatest playoff run in history...CBA expert Cuban decided to nuke that team and Benedict Kidd left for another team...Cuban decided to go big fishing annually while quality FAs got snagged up immediately each FA year...kept getting the We Love Our Boys in Blue speeches...Finally we got Dirk's heir in Luka...lived through the KP drama...now we have Luka being dealt to our enemy for a unacceptable return...45 years of ups and downs...

As a MFFL I still will be cheering on the only team I've ever loved...this is still not as bad as the 90s and I stuck through it...the day I quit cheering the Mavs is the day I stop breathing...

Now more than ever we should be using our energy to root for our team not attack each other...the Mods who I worked with  for a while only had the best interests of the community who have done this on the side with nothing in return to keep this place alive..they are humans and are not perfect and just like me have made mistakes doing their job...at least you don't have Fish being a final decision maker and instead multiple folks who make major decisions as a group instead of my way or the highway...this place is add free and not driven by filling someone's wallet...

Live long and prosper...and be a good human...

The honorable Clutch has graced us with an incredible post here. 

I appreciate these words man.  I agree that I'll be sticking through this nadir point in Mavs history and it rings so true that we should be using our energy to root for the guys actually donning the Mavs jersey. We've discussed ad nauseum the FO and their....puzzling.... choices to put it lightly. I don't think anyone disagrees on that. I think we are all at some levels of angry at the front office. I think this is a safe place to vent but there is a balance to be struck and we've swung the pendulum too far in one direction.

So thank you for coming back and contributing a nice thoughtful post my man. 

[ClutchDirk]

The honorable Clutch has graced us with an incredible post here. 

I appreciate these words man.  I agree that I'll be sticking through this nadir point in Mavs history and it rings so true that we should be using our energy to root for the guys actually donning the Mavs jersey. We've discussed ad nauseum the FO and their....puzzling.... choices to put it lightly. I don't think anyone disagrees on that. I think we are all at some levels of angry at the front office. I think this is a safe place to vent but there is a balance to be struck and we've swung the pendulum too far in one direction.

So thank you for coming back and contributing a nice thoughtful post my man. 

I was in the Discord the day you made the financial decision to keep this place going because of your love for it...you truly have always done whatever it took to make this a destination for quality Mavs discussions and sometimes therapy during various dark times...this place would not be here if not for your giving up your free time to do the dirty work to keep this thing going and be a safe place for various opinions on the current and future direction of our favorite team...

Thank you...

[FireNicoHarrison]

[DanSchwartzgan]

Why is it snarly? I have seen people accusing folks who want to see Nico gone as “bitching” on this thread. I see other attacks over and over saying folks  who are against this trade as not realizing Luka’s faults despite that being a flat out lie.

What others do or don't do has nothing to do with whether your post was snarky.  Once you do the old "oh wait" schtick, you've entered the realm of snarky.

 
So please don’t patronize me or tell me how I should or should not be critical of this management and ownership as it currently stands.

Here you claim I was patronizing.  Elsewhere you say you were attacked.  By definition it can't be both.  If I was trying to be patronizing, I wouldn't have said your proposal "devolved" and I wouldn't have called it snarky.

Being critical is one thing.  No one is arguing against the right to flame Nico.  Your proposal may have started out as well intended.  But, it ended up being a poorly veiled shot at other posters, not the team.    

I feel it mighty strange that folks who want to move on are not contributing to other threads but sone how gravitate back to this thread.  At some point the mods will kill this thread as well. 

 
I will say the Troll doesn't abide by any such boundaries.  For better or worse, I addressed your shots at other posters with his pure volume of obvious trolling.  I should have dealt with them as separate issues.

No one, not you, not sh, not Dan has answered why none of the other threads are filling up on this board and who exactly is stopping all the so called intelligent posts on this board. 
 

I actually did answer this.  Third and fourth sentences of the first paragraph of my answer.   The shots at people who disagree with your worldview have been going on for awhile.  Almost a month ago you were called out for calling posters DUMB and having a loser mentality.  Personally, I don't post as much because having to read these attacks is a beating.   

My secondary reason (and I suspect that of others as well) is an effort to be kind.  Poking the bear when the bear is this emotional doesn't help anyone.  But, in this case the bear is basically making fun of people who are trying to show restraint.

   

I have been a long time contributor over many iterations of this board and this post to me tells me that criticism of the Mavs organization will be censored even though there were many other threads that Dan or anyone else could have posted on. 

Using word like emotional vs rational to somehow gaslight folks who are critical of Nico and want to see him gone add further fuel to the fire. 

I don't think I questioned your contributions to the board.  Apologies if it came off that way.  I'm questioning your approach as I think it is injurious to the health of the board.

Yes, it is possible to be rational and emotional at the same time.  The question is can you keep your emotions in check enough to stay rational.  You often succeed at this, but not all the time.  You cross the line when you call people dumb or losers.  Leave other posters alone and debate the substance of their positions.  No one is going to censor that.  In fact, it might encourage conversation.  The approach you took today was conversation inhibiting, which is the reason I called you out.

[omahen]

Lakers did Mavs a solid by winning against Minny and twice against Clippers. Now the "third tier" of West conference is within just half a game and it will be a crazy run for the final playoff spot (I think a chance for one of them to get to fifth spot or higher is more or less theoretic at this point). lakers were a bit lucky in both games against Clippers, as they shot 30 % yesterday and even below that on Friday.

Lakers are facing a really tough schedule until at least March 20th with a combination of a bunch of games against top teams (NYK, Bos, Mil x2, Den x2) and games against bottom of the league in between. Starting with what I am affraid of as a trap game against Pelicans. In total 10 games in 16 days.

I am impressed by work done by JJ Reddick so far. Even with two starters out, he is not playing Luka and LeBron more than some 35-37 minutes per game. So far their defense is really impressive, but they relied a lot on focusing on the main guys leaving a lot of open shots to suspect shooters. I am very curious if they will try to play same way against teams like OKC and Boston, as I think this defense will have problems against such teams.

[Lukedoncic]

I have been a long time contributor over many iterations of this board and this post to me tells me that criticism of the Mavs organization will be censored even though there were many other threads that Dan or anyone else could have posted on. The reason that none of those other threads are gaining traction has nothing to do with this thread, but it is easy and convenient to do so 

Using word like emotional vs rational to somehow gaslight folks who are critical of Nico and want to see him gone add further fuel to the fire. 

As I wrote this place is indeed becoming an echo chamber.

Through my interactions with SH recently, I know this guy is the absolute salt of the earth.

Any issues you’re having at the minute are to do with the mavs, not SH. He’s the reason we’re all still here.

criticise the mavs front office all you want, but don’t go after our guy here.

[Smitty]

I don't see any reason this has to be moved out of important threads, in an attempt to have it die off. As someone that prefers talking Mavs/basketball and not just Luka all the time, I still read and post about him because it's the biggest move the Mavs have made in franchise history. This isn't going away in a month or even a year. It will take a long time for several to move on, if ever.

[SleepingHero]

I don't see any reason this has to be moved out of important threads, in an attempt to have it die off. As someone that prefers talking Mavs/basketball and not just Luka all the time, I still read and post about him because it's the biggest move the Mavs have made in franchise history. This isn't going away in a month or even a year. It will take a long time for several to move on, if ever.

I don't think unticking it from the top 3 threads will make this one die off. But there has to come a point where we do need to move on. 

I haven't gotten there myself yet personally, but enough people have raised their concerns about the environment and quality of convo as of late. And it has been pretty undeniable that this topic has seeped into almost every thread, constantly, repeating the same things. So as a show of good will and an attempt to try to reel that back in, I unstuck this thread so it's not the very first thing you see. 

I don't think this thread is going anywhere any time soon, stickied or not. This is still the biggest, most controversial, move in NBA history. I think we will continue to talk about for years on end much like the Nash move, the title team breakup, and the triple J meltdown. All I ask is that when we do talk about it we focus on it in this thread.