(07-12-2021, 04:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: 100% with you that KP for Wiggins straight is something I would probably do. But I would TRY very hard to get a pick.

(07-12-2021, 05:09 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: It seems like a month or two ago people were trying to say trade KP for Wiggins, Wiseman, and the Minny pick.  Now it seems like people would reluctantly do KP for Wiggins straight up.  

Was the Clippers series that bad that people are willing to essentially take 33% of the package compared to a month ago?

(07-12-2021, 05:27 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Personal opinion:

I dont think even Dejounte Murray alone is gettable for KP.  

KP is a more dynamic player with more potential if we're just comparing player A vs player B.

But when you consider the contracts, the injury history, the positions they play, etc...Murray has to be way more valuable as an asset.

(07-12-2021, 01:48 PM)cow Wrote: You forgot THT but we'd need to bust out the SSS+++ rank for that.

(07-12-2021, 05:30 PM)Kammrath Wrote: You may be 100% correct. But I would certainly try. Dejounte would be incredible with Luka. 

The problem? Not a single one of us has any really clue if KP's value is "X" or "Y." We have been speculating on this for months and months and there is just zero way for us to know.

(07-12-2021, 05:09 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: This is not directed at you but at the general board thoughts on KP's value.

It seems like a month or two ago people were trying to say trade KP for Wiggins, Wiseman, and the Minny pick.  Now it seems like people would reluctantly do KP for Wiggins straight up.  

Was the Clippers series that bad that people are willing to essentially take 33% of the package compared to a month ago?

(07-12-2021, 04:20 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Probably. Its plausible a Brunson to NY deal can be made either way. 

Also wonder what happens with Nerlens and if NY tries to retain him. Wouldn't be a bad fall back option or rotational big here.

(07-12-2021, 01:18 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Let's put it this way:

Base grades for major Mavs activities this offseason (adjustable in terms of what else they do around that):

(07-12-2021, 06:05 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Don't agree with everything, but applaud the effort.

(07-12-2021, 05:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: 100% correct. 

I think what you are hearing from me and others is a simple belief that moving on from KP may be the single most important thing for the franchise, regardless of the return. It should also be noted that Wiggins increased his value IMO as the season played on....whereas KP's value was tanked (possibly) by standing in the corner in the playoffs. 

Look, I am open to keeping KP into next season to give it another shot with another coach....but I don't WANT that.

(07-12-2021, 06:20 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: GS wants to deal for KP, but they are only offering Wiseman and S&T Oubre.  KOJr. has to make $16mm combined with Wiseman at $9mm to trade match KP, but that adds $6mm to cap room.  No picks, no changes to the deal of any kind.  Holmes hasn't signed anywhere and is willing to come for our $18mm in remaining cap space.

(07-12-2021, 06:15 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:  Thank you! I'll treasure your "like" like Gimli treasures Galadriel's locks of hair. Would you be so kind as to identify the stuff you disagree with and what you would think of those moves?

(07-12-2021, 05:22 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Its that moment of the offseason where any news has dried up. I'm starving out here.

(07-12-2021, 06:47 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote:  

If anyone was to ask for my opinion, which I note they're not, I'd say I thought the extra credit section was pretty damn funny.  

The disagreement was largely along the lines of age and positional priorities:

You gave much higher grades for bigs (Allen, Holmes, Turner Collins, bump for Lauri) than shot creators.

I'm not an "A" for Ball guy though I wouldn't mind him.  I thought the grades for Conley and Lowry were low.  I'm an A/A- on Conley and B- for Lowry.  Like him, but he's already in decline...so price matters.  My guess is you are prioritizing Ball's youth.  I don't mind Conley's age and would prioritize not having to do an offer sheet or give up an asset for what I believe to be the better player. 

I thought it odd you'd give an A+ of A for giving up assets for Brogdon (who I like) but only a B for using space on Conley (who I like better).  

Thanks for the F- for Oubre.  I'll try to bring him up more as it has seemed to unite the board and unity is kind of a thing now.

(07-12-2021, 05:59 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Two reasons he's got to go now IMO.

1. He is one inevitable injury away from being untradeable for the 3 remaining years on the contract. (John Wall esk) We have one more chance (this offseason) to sell another team on his potential and get back usable players or get space to acquire additional FA.
2. We just watched him get played off the court in the playoffs. Our highest investment in a player on this roster couldn't play without us going zone. Could he come back looking better early next year? yes probably will. But by the time the playoffs come around will he be available and close to 100%? doubtful.

(07-12-2021, 07:44 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: To be fair, KP was equally torched in the Clippers series, we just didn't notice it all that much because it was for 2.5 games. But his defensive stats and off/on were pretty similar when I looked at them the other day. 

The defensive player of the year in Gobert also got played off the court, or at least he should have. They kept him on the court lol. 

Clippers are a brutal matchup for bigs and shouldn't be the standard for what you are up against. Any other matchup in the West and he's better defensively although probably still not great due to the offensive talent for the bigs. 

Offensively he was simply game planned out but offense ran fine with him on the court still except when he was the only guy on the court aka Luka sat lol. 

John Wall had one major injury and it was a killer. That's really not a fair comparison. Almost anyone on a max deal that's not an absolute superstar is untraceable with a single major injury.

(07-12-2021, 08:07 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: The answers to KP questions on Thursday at the press conference will be telling.