(06-04-2021, 02:26 AM)omahen Wrote: Good idea. Kemba only has 2 years left so its not end of the world. Let me be extremely optimistic and build from your idea:

Bos: KP (KP has more value than Kemba, so assets have to go out)
Ind: Kemba, Maxi, Bos assets (Kemba replaces Brogdon, Maxi replaces Turner), 2027 Dal FRP
Dal: Turner, Brogdon 

Spend cap space on PF (Markkanen?) and THJ

(06-04-2021, 10:54 AM)F Gump Wrote: This idea is a complete non-starter. It solves the issue that Dallas would have no desire to be stuck with Kemba. It doesn't solve the issue that Indy wouldn't want to be stuck with him and that ghastly contract either.

(06-03-2021, 11:42 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Regardless of who's right - regardless of just what KP's value is now, high or low, it's very likely to be even higher a year from now. I think you probably disagree, but want to be clear.

(06-04-2021, 10:57 AM)F Gump Wrote: FIFY, as to what is "very likely."

(06-04-2021, 11:18 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think beginning of next year it will for sure very likely be higher. It goes back down when he gets injured next year. How serious and where the injury is determines the value dip. If he doesn't get injured next year, his value skyrockets as I believe he'll probably play to his All Star capability.

(06-04-2021, 08:03 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: “Turner may be attainable without KP”.    How?

I guess you could move on from THJ.  Who do you target for something in that financial neighborhood.  Fournier is available.  Norman Powell may be.  Do they fit the bill?  I don’t think that is enough money for the elder statesmen PG’s or Ball.  What is left?  I don’t disagree that we could use someone who is a better secondary creator than THJ.  But, who and how?  And, as we’ve seen twice now, how do we know they will fit any better than Hardaway?

(06-04-2021, 09:14 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: DJJ is useful as a defensive wing specialist as long as you don't have multiple bad offensive players on the floor with him.   Really not that much different from JRich.  

Yeah, the follow up would be signing a big body big in free agency, of which there should be plenty available and relatively affordable.   Zeller, Drummond, Lopez, Theis, Willy H. etc.  Or you could see if you could chase Holmes depending on what THJ resigns for and leaves you with.

PG - Luka/Brunson
SG - McCollum/Green/Burke
SF - THJ/DJJ
PF - DoDo/Powell
C - Holmes/MLE
Designated Luka Bestie - Boban

(06-04-2021, 01:03 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I don't think so. In my view the KP you see now is kind of what you get. Pretty good offensive player but not a great fit in Mavs system that really just wants rim rollers or shooters from the 5 position offensively (no post-ups, at least not from KP). Defensively he probably won't be. any worse than he is now but I am not expecting much improvement and that's a big issue. Finally he doesn't want to be here and gets paid way too much for his production. Even if he's healthy now, chances are he won't be healthy later so Mavs should cash in while they have a chance. He is not going to be an all-star player for the Mavs anytime soon.

(06-04-2021, 02:34 PM)mvossman Wrote: That team has no chance to compete due to defensive limitations.  I don't think you can start 3 below average backcourt folks, and DoDo at the 4 is not above average either.  I recognize that the frontcourt is more important from a defensive standpoint, but Holmes is not going to make up for all of that.

(06-04-2021, 02:26 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: The Mavs have expiring contracts and cap room
Indiana is on the books next year for 119 million and cannot improve their team

You have to sit and ask yourself does a swap of Brogdon and Turner for KP make them a better team or worse team. 

We may be able to get Turner similar to Evan Fournier a future first and maybe a marginal piece like WCS and Terry. 

Indiana may prefer the cap room more than taking on 3 years of KP at 30 million.

(06-04-2021, 10:57 AM)F Gump Wrote: FIFY, as to what is "very likely."

(06-04-2021, 03:56 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I don't know; given all of the ball strips I've seen the Clippers do in this series, I'd say their defense is pretty good.

(06-04-2021, 02:56 PM)mvossman Wrote: That player is still not a perfect fit with Luka and may not be worth the max, but a much better (defensive) version than we have seen this year.  I agree with the original post that his value will likely go up next year until/unless he incurs another significant injury.

(06-04-2021, 06:26 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: We love to talk about simple KP trades but haven´t mentioned the nuclear option. Who is the best player the Mavs can get for KP + all remaining 1sts, picks swaps, assets like DFS or Brunson?

(06-04-2021, 06:26 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: We love to talk about simple KP trades but haven´t mentioned the nuclear option. Who is the best player the Mavs can get for KP + all remaining 1sts, picks swaps, assets like DFS or Brunson?

(06-04-2021, 03:46 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: I hear you, but I'm really starting to re-evaluate how I look at defense.   I haven't really put a firm finger on it, but it's like .... this Clippers series ... I've been hearing how great Patrick Beverley and Zubac are on defense for years, and they're absolutely unplayable in this series specifically because of their defense.  And that's mostly due to the greatness of Luka and what a mismatch nightmare he is  .. but every contending team has their freak that can find their mismatch and exploit it.   The Clippers were supposed to be the 1 team that can absolutely match up and shut down any team on defense in theory ... they're just loaded with elite defenders and switchable long wings.   And ultimately, when the rubber meets the road in the playoffs, it means nothing.    The Hardens, Lukas, KDs, etc. that you have to get through to get to a Championship still get the shots they want, when they want.   So some of these high level defenders are overrated, or how we think about defense is overrated or re-evaluate how we think about defense.   Maybe it's more about having defensive versatility than just being a high level defender for your position.   Because Patrick Beverley is (supposed to be) a high level defending point guard, and he's getting lit up like a Christmas Tree because he's having to guard a 6'7" 250 ball handler.   To me, offense is the bare minimum requirement, because you got to keep pace with these freaks and match the shot for  shot.

(06-04-2021, 06:26 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: We love to talk about simple KP trades but haven´t mentioned the nuclear option. Who is the best player the Mavs can get for KP + all remaining 1sts, picks swaps, assets like DFS or Brunson?