(06-03-2021, 07:41 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: KP on the other hand can be borderline unplayable.

(06-03-2021, 07:53 PM)Tyler Wrote: I get that people are frustrated with KP. And I also understand that it has been a down year for him defensively. But we're talking about a young guy who averaged 20 and 9 on the 5th seed in the West and who opens up the floor for others in ways most other big guys can't. IMO, too many fans let the image of what they wish he was cloud their ability to see the player he is. And he clearly has talent.

(06-03-2021, 07:41 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I think this is very astute.

(06-03-2021, 06:08 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Right but I don't think anyone wants Kembas contract.

(06-03-2021, 08:08 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's basically what I've been saying for MONTHS. Why wasn't it astute any of the times I wrote it?

(06-03-2021, 08:28 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I just like the way he worded it....no biggie.

(06-03-2021, 05:35 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Need a 3rd team. 

(06-03-2021, 08:08 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's basically what I've been saying for MONTHS. Why wasn't it astute any of the times I wrote it?

(06-03-2021, 10:28 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: The question would be where to send KP and what Indy would want in return.  Is Warren a SF or a PF next to Sabonis?  Indy was a poor defensive team this year, but were 3rd in the league last season when Warren was healthy.  I suspect they would want a two way player, but certainly no slouch on Defense

(06-03-2021, 10:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I’ll give you props for that. It’s the basis of my thoughts on KP as well. I just think his trade value is quite a bit higher than you and dirkfan (and some others) think it is. I also believe, if it isn’t, you guys should be prepared for another year of KP (as long as he isn’t demanding a trade) cause I don’t believe our FO would trade him for less than basically what Vucevic brought.

(06-03-2021, 11:42 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: You might be right, but Stepback's point (and what I've been suggesting for months) is that regardless of who's right - regardless of just what KP's value is now, high or low, it's very likely to be lower a year from now. I think you probably disagree, but want to be clear.

There is no doubt in my mind that league wide opinion of him is at least slightly lower now than it was before this series started, for example. I don't claim to know what the Mavs will do about this situation, but my opinion is that literally every day that goes by means a lesser return in trade for Porzingis, with no lower limit...probably until he's in the last year of his contract and someone wants to get off of some other bad money.

(06-03-2021, 05:35 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Need a 3rd team. Maybe the Celtics? Walker and minor assets to the Pacers. KP to the Celtics. Turner and salary filler (Lamb...pipe dream McConnell sign&trade) to Dallas.

(06-03-2021, 11:16 PM)Tyler Wrote: I wonder if Indy would be interested in flipping KP to Boston for something like Smart/Williams/Thompson. With the way each team needs a shakeup, I feel like there could be something there.

And I definitely like your idea of pairing Turner and Markkanen. That's a fun frontcourt that could really blossom playing with Doncic.

(06-04-2021, 06:18 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: You can pretty well bring back the entire band if you do that (except KP).  The ages of Turner and Markkanen allow you to keep a consistent front court until Luka is in his late 20's to about 30.  Turner is a better defender than Maxi and Markkanen is a better outside shooter than KP (and can floor the ball to add a dimension to the O).  If THJ doesn't wish to return for $18mm, there are other players to take that slot.  The bench is self sufficient, meaning the starters can stay together more.  JRich rolls off after a year and Holiday after two giving Green a role to grow into as time goes by.

Turner (18)/Powell (11)/WCS or Boban (rMLE)    29.0 + Exception
Markkanen (13.7)/Maxi (9)/Bey (1.5)                 24.2
DFS (4)/Holiday (6)/Green (3)                           13.0    
THJ (18)/JRich (11.6)/Burke (3.1)                      32.7
Luka (10.2)/Brunson (1.8)/Terry (1.5)                13.5
                                                                      112.4 + Exception

(06-03-2021, 07:41 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I just don´t see it but I guess the "Unicorn" hype gives KP a slight advantage. Just don´t think that it is enough to compensate for the injury risk and the negative net impact.
At least the worst version of Kemba wasn´t a liability (just a highly overpaid average starting PG). KP on the other hand can be borderline unplayable.