(05-23-2021, 02:22 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: So, let's follow through with this.  BTW, if you assume JRich is nothing more than Finney's backup, then that is a role Green can grow into.

Something I've said when thinking about big dollar RFA's is you have to watch out for BYC.  The sending team only gets to use 1/2 of the outgoing salary, but all of the incoming salary counts.  Hard to bridge the $14mm gap on a $28mm max.  But, if you think about someone making in the mid teens, then JRich matches anything from $13.2mm to $16.6mm.  At $16.6mm, $11.6mm is within range of both $16.6mm and $8.3mm.  At $13.2mm, $11.6mm matches both the $13.2mm and the $6.6mm.

So, to your point, you could work over the cap and get any kind of FA in the $13-$16 million range via sign and trade with JRich (even a RFA) and use the Full MLE to fill another hole.  Something like:

KP/DP/WCS
Maxi/New
DFS/Green
THJ/New
Luka/Brunson

BTW, this would be a way to get Markkanen for more than the MLE if you assume Chicago has a use for JRich...which I think they do.  It adds to salary, but they could buy out Satoransky for $1mm instead of cutting him for $5mm and Dallas would make up that salary by using the MLE on Satoransky.  

KP/DP/WCS
Maxi/Markkanen
DFS/Green
THJ/Sato
Luka/Brunson

This is just an example.  Suddenly, that bench doesn't need KP and Luka to platoon and there is plenty of O among the backups to crush most benches.  This still doesn't make Markkanen a starter, but it does get him some money.  

Personally, I'd rather use the MLE on Theis and do the JRich deal for a better secondary ball handler.  What about WCS and JRich together to Charlotte and bring back Graham.  Or, maybe think bigger.  That combo can get you to the $20mm range of FA's.  The trick is finding the team that thinks JRich and Willie for a year (and maybe a second) is better than losing their guy for nothing.  Norman Powell?  Dinwiddie? Fournier? Gary Trent Jr.?  Portland, Brooklyn, Toronto and Boston could all use guys like that and it would be hard for Duffy to get too mad if you are sending his guy Richardson to a playoff team.

(05-23-2021, 07:21 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: @"cjeter24" you are more optimistic than I am. Lowry I think is Heat-bound. Conley will stay. I love the idea of DeRozan but my guess is he and the Mavs won't see themselves as a match. Especially with THJ looking more and more like he's staying there isn't the space for DR anyway.

The most realistic old guy is going to be Dragic. He's a fit on the court, buds with Luka, same agent, all that good stuff and I think Heat won't pick up his TO as they hunt for bigger fish (ie Lowry).

(05-23-2021, 08:28 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Question for Step Back and Jet...since both mentioned Dragic.

Let’s say we ship out JRich and get a frontcourt player.  MLE to Dragic or MLE to Monk?

I don’t believe Charlotte will retain his cap hold making him UFA.  It is absolutely true that he had a good couple of months.  But, Dragic is starting to tail off.  His experience in the playoffs might help, but he’s one and done at best.  Monk has upside and could be here for years if he works out.

(05-24-2021, 06:03 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I meant to add Monk to the MLE steal list. I like both. IMO, Brunson(THJ also) gives us position flex. We could bring in the BPA 1-3 player and make it work. Brunson could start or come off the bench(THJ too). Brunson is more of a undersized combo guard is my point. And i don’t think any of our guys will be upset coming off the bench once we pay everyone. For me it’s BPA

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Bulls' Markkanen Aims To Join Mavs, Team With Luka & Porzingis?
The Mavs have cap room and have some level of admiration for Markkanen ... and he apparently feels the same.
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(05-24-2021, 06:44 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: With Lauri saying he wants to be a Mav, I'm going with a Lauri-Holmes front court for the next 4 years.

Lauri, Sato and draft considerations incoming and KP outgoing. Find a third team to for KP.

Lineup should be:
SF DFS/Green
PF Lauri/Maxi/Melli
C Holmes/DP
G THJ/Sato/Burke
G Luka/Brunson


Lauri is a mobile big, it's just his lateral isn't too good. But on offense, he has the quickness, the athletic ability and the handles to not only attack close outs, but also score in his own, unassisted, whether going to the basket, a pull up for a jumper or a shoot a fadeaway.  I trust him to make 6 dribbles than I do KP with 4. For a big, Lauri can go anywhere he wants.

Lauri isn't a rim roller, and he doesn't need to be specially if Mavs can employ Holmes to do that and retain Powell. Lauri will probably be in a lot of pick and pop situations with Luka, and that would be lethal, but who says Lauri can't roll hard to the basket? He probably is quicker than DP and most likely with the same jump or higher. Luka would make him better.

(05-23-2021, 08:28 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Question for Step Back and Jet...since both mentioned Dragic.

Let’s say we ship out JRich and get a frontcourt player.  MLE to Dragic or MLE to Monk?

I don’t believe Charlotte will retain his cap hold making him UFA.  It is absolutely true that he had a good couple of months.  But, Dragic is starting to tail off.  His experience in the playoffs might help, but he’s one and done at best.  Monk has upside and could be here for years if he works out.

(05-24-2021, 07:05 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Fish has added his voice to the discussion.  Doesn't advance the ball, just points out LM was liked in his draft and now fits the "fallen angel" moniker.  It also says he's a friend of Luka's and is a huge fan of Dirk.  

(05-24-2021, 08:55 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: So this is an interesting article because it seems to put LM in a cheaper tier of FA than I would have expected. I figured LM would at least get "starter" money based on decent production, upside and age.

Seeing some trade ideas:
https://pippenainteasy.com/2021/05/22/bulls-rumors-3-sign-and-trade-deals-to-send-lauri-markkanen-to-dallas/2/

I really like the JR/LM swap idea the best. Bulls do not want to let LM walk for nothing after drafting him so high. If they get JR or a player of that tier who is a good fit and potential starter, then it will not be a total disaster.

For Mavs getting LM for JR would be great imo, especially if he understands he is not guaranteed a starting spot. That would mean Mavs get the MLE they could use for Dragic and maybe save the BAE for a rainy day.

Rotation could be something like:

Luka/Dragic
THJ/Brunson
DFS/Green
Powell/WCS
KP/Markkanen/Maxi

The question is which bigs to play together and whether or not one of the bigs becomes disposable. KP, LM, Maxi all sort of play the 4 spot. KP only plays 4 on offense really. I think Maxi and LM could play together off the bench if Mavs want to play 5 out or you could start Maxi and play LM, Powell together. LM + KP would probably be the most awkward pairing. LM might be wasted a little bit if he is only a catch and shoot guy with the starting lineup and on defense he isn't going to be as good with rotations as a Maxi.

To me I like LM like I like Gallo which is you forward shooter off the bench. If you are able to get him and Dragic I think that would be a pretty good offseason bc you have a very solid 9 man rotation at a minimum when everyone is healthy. Mavs would have a lot of bigs but LM would help offset KP rest days to provide you quality there. Dragic is not a guy you need to overuse during the regular season. Green still has a chance to get steady rotation minutes with the loss of J Rich.

(05-24-2021, 08:55 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: So this is an interesting article because it seems to put LM in a cheaper tier of FA than I would have expected. I figured LM would at least get "starter" money based on decent production, upside and age.

Seeing some trade ideas:
https://pippenainteasy.com/2021/05/22/bulls-rumors-3-sign-and-trade-deals-to-send-lauri-markkanen-to-dallas/2/

I really like the JR/LM swap idea the best. Bulls do not want to let LM walk for nothing after drafting him so high. If they get JR or a player of that tier who is a good fit and potential starter, then it will not be a total disaster.

For Mavs getting LM for JR would be great imo, especially if he understands he is not guaranteed a starting spot. That would mean Mavs get the MLE they could use for Dragic and maybe save the BAE for a rainy day.

Rotation could be something like:

Luka/Dragic
THJ/Brunson
DFS/Green
Powell/WCS
KP/Markkanen/Maxi

The question is which bigs to play together and whether or not one of the bigs becomes disposable. KP, LM, Maxi all sort of play the 4 spot. KP only plays 4 on offense really. I think Maxi and LM could play together off the bench if Mavs want to play 5 out or you could start Maxi and play LM, Powell together. LM + KP would probably be the most awkward pairing. LM might be wasted a little bit if he is only a catch and shoot guy with the starting lineup and on defense he isn't going to be as good with rotations as a Maxi.

To me I like LM like I like Gallo which is you forward shooter off the bench. If you are able to get him and Dragic I think that would be a pretty good offseason bc you have a very solid 9 man rotation at a minimum when everyone is healthy. Mavs would have a lot of bigs but LM would help offset KP rest days to provide you quality there. Dragic is not a guy you need to overuse during the regular season. Green still has a chance to get steady rotation minutes with the loss of J Rich.

(05-24-2021, 09:39 AM)JamesConway Wrote: If Markkanen wants to come here I’d make it happen. Imo he’s still easily a player with allstar type upside. 

He’s the next Randle/LaVine type of FA that somebody will pick up and see turn into an allstar. The guy oozes with potential. Chicago crapped the bed with him. 

The fit with KP is bad but that’s a player you Imo have to sign.

(05-24-2021, 09:16 AM)haveitall Wrote: Gragic is too old.  I wouldn't give any of Brunson's minutes to Dragic.  I like Markkanen as a buy low type of player but I wouldn't give up anything for him.  I think what this team needs is a pick and roll big and the ideal player is John Collins or Holmes.  I think everyone is underestimating J Rich, maybe because everyone thought he would be an all star when he got here.  He is a solid rotation player.  I would try to get either Sabonis or Turner from Indiana.  They are going nowhere.  How about Brunson, Porzingis, JRICH + picks for Sabonis and turner?

Luka
THJ
DFS
Sabonis
Turner

(05-24-2021, 09:21 AM)mvossman Wrote: That's the same starting lineup as last year.  Great offensively, but barely average defensively.  The FO recognized the need for improved defense and several moves have been made with that in mind (JRich trade, Green and Bey picks, Maxi to starting lineup).  Maybe they have decided to move away from a focus on defense, but I would surprised (and disappointed) if our big moves were offense only backup players.

(05-24-2021, 08:55 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs getting LM for JR would be great imo,

(05-24-2021, 10:43 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: So there's something to be said for continuity. I think Rick would decide the best starting 5 where starting PF/C next to KP would be the biggest question again. THJ seems to me to be the starter going forward so then you try to fill some holes on the bench and run it back. For sure it would be great to have a defensive upgrade but Green long-term needs to be part of the answer there. The other piece is KP either getting back to form or be traded.

Mavs can try to pick up another defensive guy for like BAE (Avery Bradley is my favorite target if you could get him for that price). There probably isn't a sure thing 2 way player guard or wing that Mavs can get. That's why we need Green to grow into a regular rotation player.

(05-24-2021, 02:39 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Lauri Markannen has the most beautiful/natural jump shot stroke I've ever seen from a 7 footer.  (yes...including Dirk)

No idea how to make him work here but I'd be excited about the possibility of adding him and subtracting KP.

1.  turn Richardson into Markannen and Satoransky
2.  turn KP into Brogdon
3.  give THJ money to Holmes

profit?


Luka/Brunson
Brogdon/Satoransky
DFS/Green
Markannen/Maxi
Holmes/Powell