(05-10-2021, 10:44 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: This option is still on the table for sure. Especially if we make a deep playoff run.........the only guys that really make it worth it to go the cap space route are Collins, Conley and Lowry. The rest of what’s out there that we could use is close enough to the MLE value wise that it may make more sense to do that. Hardaway  price has surely gone up recently

(05-10-2021, 10:59 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Another idea for Holmes fans would be S&T Holmes for Powell which lets you "overpay" Holmes by a couple mil or so. I still think 15 or 16/yr is his ceiling contract wise.

If you have 17 for THJ, 15 for Holmes, you still have enough for like a Dinwiddie/Dragic player + bring back WCS for rMLE.

Holmes fans would like that, I am not sure that's significantly better than bring everybody back + add a Dragic or MLE shooter and maybe do a Brunson/M. Robinson swap (who checks a lot of boxes Holmes does anyway).

(05-10-2021, 10:44 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: This option is still on the table for sure. Especially if we make a deep playoff run.........the only guys that really make it worth it to go the cap space route are Collins, Conley and Lowry. The rest of what’s out there that we could use is close enough to the MLE value wise that it may make more sense to do that. Hardaway  price has surely gone up recently

(05-10-2021, 11:03 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Isn't one of the issues there Sacto's ability to go that high in a S&T?

(05-10-2021, 11:45 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Are we even sure Holmes is better than Powell?

(05-10-2021, 01:45 PM)cow Wrote: 17m for THJ seems insane.

(05-09-2021, 02:48 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Get ready to add Josh Green to that list.  He and Luka have played 167 minutes together and the team is 116.9/99.4 in those minutes.   

As you add in a 3rd man you can find plenty of good combos with Green/Luka.  In fact, it is hard to find a bad one.  The most used 3-man is Green, Luka, THJ at +21.6.   What is really encouraging (I shouldn't have to post Small Sample Size Alert, but I will because there is always that one guy) is if you put KP/Luka/Green together in a 4-man lineup and add Brunson or THJ, your net ratings are 14.3 and 36.6 and both groupings have good D.  

I know it is super early and the energy Green puts out in 12 minutes won't be the same when he starts getting 25.  But he is an important part of solving the defensive woes we have because Luka and KP aren't good defenders.

(05-10-2021, 02:18 PM)Jommybone Wrote: DanSchwamie, love your optimism. Would like to join in it. But I don’t think there’s a legit role for a non-shooting shooting guard in today’s league. I don’t doubt Josh will grow into a shooter. But I haven’t seen it happen yet. Fingers crossed.

(05-10-2021, 01:45 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Nope.

Holmes entire value is built around a floater/push shot, mostly out of pick and pop.   It's a really unique shot and he's very efficient with it, but Powell is also highly efficient in PnR  as a rim roller.   Neither one have a 3 point shot or creating buckets with some old school back to the basket low post game.   To me they're similar players and similar strengths and weaknesses, even if they go about it in a different style.

(05-10-2021, 02:18 PM)Jommybone Wrote: DanSchwamie, love your optimism. Would like to join in it. But I don’t think there’s a legit role for a non-shooting shooting guard in today’s league. I don’t doubt Josh will grow into a shooter. But I haven’t seen it happen yet. Fingers crossed.

(05-10-2021, 03:36 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: One thing I will say in Holmes favor...and I might be completely wrong on this...

He seems extremely light on his feet and athletic.   I dont think Powell has near the lateral quickness Holmes has.   I think Powell is coming along better than people hoped...but he seems hampered laterally.   And...that might have nothing to do with his injury.

What I am trying to say and its not a perfect description is...Holmes looks like a cat and Powell like a dog athletically.   Almost to the point is looks like Holmes could guard 1 through 5.   Powell cant hang with guards.  You have to have fundamentals, though...and Powell has them.  I dont know anything about the small details that make a PF good or sloppy.  Is Holmes good or sloppy...I dont know.

(05-10-2021, 10:59 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Another idea for Holmes fans would be S&T Holmes for Powell which lets you "overpay" Holmes by a couple mil or so. I still think 15 or 16/yr is his ceiling contract wise.

(05-10-2021, 06:39 PM)F Gump Wrote: That idea is probably a non-starter. SAC's limit on a contract for RH, as they sit, is about 10.5M starting salary.

So SAC can't sign RH to the needed size contract to enable the sign-and-trade unless they do some major roster reconstruction. If they do that work, it would be to keep him, I would think, not to swap him.

(05-10-2021, 06:32 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I have always seen the idea of Holmes on this roster as something you add with DP, not to upgrade.  I feel like at this point we've identified that Luka plays better with a rim running center.  I know that Holmes push shot was mentioned but he does finish plenty at the rim and he still rolls into that push shot which gives Luka that room he needs to operate.  Holmes defense is very switchable as mentioned as well and he's an underrated rim protector, he's actually averaging more blocks a game than KP and has had 4 games this season with 5 or more blocks.

The biggest issue with the Luka/KP duo is that KP plays best in our offense as the 5 but Luka plays better with literally every other one of our 5s.  In my perfect world, we would move KP in an attempt to upgrade our talent at the 2 and 4 positions and then use cap space to sign Holmes.  It's not a matter of Holmes vs DP, it's a matter of making sure you have a roster where you can always have a rim running center on the floor (WCS included).  I think we all agree that the skill sets we bring in should be skill sets that compliment Luka offensively and continue to help us build a contending defense.  I think Holmes checks both those boxes in a big way.