(12-15-2020, 10:37 PM)Branduil Wrote: Step 1: THJ+DFS for OPJ

Step 2: James Johnson+future pick for Aaron Gordon

STARTERS / 2nd UNIT / RESERVES

Luka / Brunson
JRich / Burke / Terry
OPJ / Green / Hinton / Iwundu
Gordon / Maxi
KP / Powell / WCS / Boban

What's not to like?

(12-26-2020, 01:54 AM)Branduil Wrote: THJ wasn't the 4th option last year though, he was the 3rd option. If he's not taking a lot of shots there's no point in him being out there.


I feel like what we're seeing is that JRich has taken his starting spot, they just don't realize it yet. That's why I feel he would be better this year in the Seth Curry bench role.

(12-26-2020, 01:54 AM)Branduil Wrote: I feel like what we're seeing is that JRich has taken his starting spot, they just don't realize it yet. That's why I feel he would be better this year in the Seth Curry bench role.

(12-26-2020, 01:08 AM)haveitall Wrote: When KP is back the offense will get back humming, but you need a beefy front player who can box out and get rebounds.  KP along isn' t going to cut it.  Drummond is the best free agent like that but if there is someone via trade then fine.  But this obsession with wing players is too much.  DFS is a good player but he is a small forward.  We need to have a PF or center start next to Powell.

(12-26-2020, 06:17 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Two games into the season after most posters projected at least 42-44 wins and the same people are willing to throw the entire roster into the trash bin.

Just a few examples...
If THJ makes his next two 3s he is shooting 40% for the season.
So far the Mavs rookies are shooting 100% for the season.
Based on the +/- numbers Richardson is the worst starter. Why not trade him instead of THJ?

Bottom line. Let´s give them at least 10-15 games before we ask for trades that involve everyone not named Luka or KP.

(12-26-2020, 06:17 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Two games into the season after most posters projected at least 42-44 wins and the same people are willing to throw the entire roster into the trash bin.

(12-26-2020, 07:08 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: I´m not ready to throw them into the trash bin, but I can see what is working and what is not. Luka being out of shape exposes some glaring holes like rebounding and play-making.

I have no problem missing the play-offs, while developing our own rookies and waiting for the right opportunities to come. If necessary that can be until next off-season.

I also know how Cuban and Carlisle think.

Cuban will do a trade (sooner than later) to try and marginalize that unprotected Knicks pick. Furthermore Carlisle won´t invest in short term losses for long-term gains, when it comes to the rookie development. He´ll just run out Trey Burke until the end of time, like he is of any consequence to our long-term goals.

So we might as well talk about it. No point to keeping Green/Terry/Bey, when they barely see the floor. Four real minutes and four garbage minutes in two games. People make fun of Bruno, but with Carlisle almost every rookie is two years away from being two years away, or more likely two years away from being traded away.

(12-26-2020, 08:19 AM)loki Wrote: The Mavs needed to land a rotation player very badly, or at least trade the pick(s) for one. So far it's looking like a big swing and miss.

(12-26-2020, 01:54 AM)Branduil Wrote: THJ wasn't the 4th option last year though, he was the 3rd option. If he's not taking a lot of shots there's no point in him being out there.


I feel like what we're seeing is that JRich has taken his starting spot, they just don't realize it yet. That's why I feel he would be better this year in the Seth Curry bench role.

(12-26-2020, 05:29 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Oladipo is the somewhere in between solution. Question is whether he is just a minor upgrade from Richardson (player-wise and too similar) and we should be looking for a skill-set that sets itself apart more from Richardson like DeRozan/Lavine.

(12-26-2020, 08:26 AM)omahen Wrote: I was always promoting upgrading the roster, using picks as trade sweeteners. However, if they decided to keep them, they have to give them consistent minutes. No one can develop without playing. Mavs have a problem that they have a very deep team of mostly very average players. There is just not enough minutes for everybody. Some of them, notably Kleber and THJ, played deep below last year performances so far. Terry is certainly not better than Brunson at this point so getting minutes for him will be tough. However, Green should get 10-15 minutes per game at SG/SF or even small ball PF spot.

(12-26-2020, 09:12 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: You would be trying to pair Dipo with Richardson. Mavs would not forgo J Rich to get Dipo. Dipo would be the THJ replacement. On paper Dipo is more a PG/SG hybrid which is what we need and J Rich is a SG/SF combo.

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(12-26-2020, 09:22 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Yeah I know, maybe I wasn´t clear enough there. I´m wondering whether you really want two such similar players.

(12-26-2020, 09:27 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: If they are really good then no I don't think so. They both handle the ball, shoot, defend. I will take 2 of those guys.

(12-26-2020, 10:09 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Can they really though?

Richardson has averaged more than 3 APG once in his career.
Oladipo has averaged more than 4.3 APG once in his career.
THJ has never averaged 3 APG in his career.

It´s not whether you do it, it´s whether you theoretically could be a virtual PG, if you are forced to by other teams.

On the other hand while DeRozan and Lavine are not classic PGs, they have played as #1 options as well. Lavine hasn´t averaged more than 4.5 APG in his career, but he´s never averaged below 3.0 APG either in any of his six NBA seasons.

Then you have DeRozan, who has become more and more of a playmaker throughout his career. Worked himself up from 0.8 to 1.8 to 2.5 to 4.0 and the last three years he´s been above 5 APG. I also read DeRozan finished 6th or 7th last year in total 3pt assists, so he could mimic Luka (he was top 3) most closely from the options.

(12-26-2020, 10:43 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Lavine has a terrible ast/tov ratio. Take a look at the opinion of Bulls or T´Wolves fans. All of them are telling the same story. Good scorer with tunnel vision. Next to Luka that wouldn´t be as much of a problem but he is not the kind of player that can the an offense when Luka is on the bench. Basically THJ with more athleticism and better iso scoring. Just as bad on defense. Maybe a slightly better shooter.

(12-26-2020, 11:02 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: THJ has shot higher than 37% from 3pt range once in his career. Lavine has in four of his six seasons.

(12-26-2020, 11:02 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Saying Lavine is a slightly better shooter than THJ is like saying Luka is a slightly better PG than Lonzo Ball.

(12-26-2020, 11:02 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Just like saying Lavine is a slightly better creator, when his career low in APG is higher than THJs career high.

(12-26-2020, 11:02 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: I´m also arguing Lavine´s fit vs. Oladipo´s fit. I think Lavine is slightly better, but for argument´s sake say Lavine/Oladipo are equal playmakers.

Then the question becomes who is more likely to have an explosive scoring game next to the defensively sound Richardson/DFS, when Luka has an off night or Porzingis is out (for rest or injury). Therefore I argue we need a DeRozan/Lavine type more than a Oladipo type, because we have that type already.

(12-26-2020, 01:07 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: I think we’re seeing the ripple effect from adding JRich to the starting lineup. Richardson seems like a fantastic complimentary player — maybe the Mavs’ best. But he’s not a featured player, so running him at SG alongside DFS and THJ means Luka is really the only dominant playmaker on the floor. 

Again, JRich can make plays, but he’s not going to take the ball out of Luka’s hands for long stretches like a guy like Kemba Walker would. 

The debate will continue about what is most needed - a true PF or a dynamic scoring guard. I think the Mavs need both so KP can play C and Luka can slide into more of a long-term Lebron-type role.