(05-05-2021, 11:00 PM)F Gump Wrote: I think we can end the conversation right there, unfortunately, because SAC's ability to sign Holmes (the first half of a "sign-and-trade" transaction) is very limited. Unless they do some significant salary clearing, all they can offer him is about 10.5M in year 1 salary, using Early Bird rights.

(Existing deals for Hield, Barnes, Fox, Hallibuton, Wright, Bagley PLUS 1st rounder leave them with less than that.)

If you think he's getting 10.5M or less, then this is a moot point, of course. But most here seem to think he's getting more.

SAC does have the ability to clear out cap room to offer him more, but you'd think they would do that roster juggling (and slicing) to be able to keep him, not for the benefit of another team.

(05-05-2021, 11:30 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Yup. Sounds like our competition for Holmes (who will be a major Mavs target this offseason if the MBT chooses not to be stupid) will be the other teams with caproom, not the Kings.

(05-05-2021, 11:35 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Only team I'm worried about making a serious offer for Holmes is Charlotte. They need a center badly. Seems like the perfect situation for him too. 


I'm fully expecting the Mavs to ignore Holmes and he signs 4/64 with Charlotte. And we all are going to get our boxers in a bunch lambasting the FO for not going after harder for Holmes.

(05-06-2021, 03:48 AM)Branduil Wrote: Whether or not Holmes and Powell overlap is irrelevant to me. IMO you never DON'T go after a guy just because you have a worse version already on your team.

(05-06-2021, 05:15 AM)Mapka Wrote: That's fine for playmaking Superstars or end of bench pieces or if you don't have holes in your roster.

If you need a highlevel playmaker you can't waste anything on a maybe upgrade roleplayer for startermoney.

(05-06-2021, 11:19 AM)loki Wrote: The problem is that a high level playmaker may not be available. Guys like Lowry and Conley are short term solutions who are likely to land elsewhere. DeRozan could be an option but is a relatively poor fit. I don't think the Mavs are going to gain much by saving money in the frontcourt to chase these type of players.

(05-06-2021, 12:02 PM)Mapka Wrote: That's already three guys you should be after before even thinking about the frontcourt.

If Lowry goes south it will push out Dragic and Oladipo - if he goes to Philly Tobi might be the causality.

I don't like CP3 but I'd offer him before I'd go after Holmes.

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(05-06-2021, 11:02 AM)Hypermav Wrote: https://theathletic.com/2569994/2021/05/06/rudy-gobert-jrue-holiday-top-hollingers-2021-nba-all-underrated-team/

Hollinger has 3 Memphis guys on a 10 man list, so a little self serving.  The reason I posted this is for the Holmes blurb.

8. Richaun Holmes, C, Sacramento
"Kings fans are well aware of how good Richaun Holmes is, but that knowledge has not diffused through the rest of the basketball universe. At first glance that’s understandable. He’s a bit undersized for a five at 6-10, 235, he doesn’t shoot 3s or post up and his rebound and shot blocking are solid but hardly extraordinary.
So where’s the added value here? Well, much of it lies in the development of one shot. Quietly, Holmes has become one of the best floater shooters in the league, which is a rare statement for a center. Among bigs, his only competition in this category is Jokic. As a result, Holmes’ rim runs often result not in a flying dunk attempt but in a quick, soft push shot dropped softly in over a rotating defender. These are difficult shots, but Holmes is one of the rare players who shoots them so effectively that they add value to an offense. This season he’s shooting 59 percent on shots considered “short midrange”, according to Cleaning the Glass, and those comprised more than a third of his shots. Both figures place him near the top of all centers.
As a result of that floater, Holmes averages 23.5 points per 100 on 67.5 percent true shooting. Basically, that one trick turned him from a blah backup big into a pretty valuable offensive player.
It also could turn him into a wealthy man this summer. Holmes is 27 and will be an unrestricted free agent, so whether it’s another center-needy team or a return to the Kings, he’s looking at a very nice payday."

*Brunson was an honorable mention

(05-06-2021, 02:43 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Lots of discussion on Holmes. My concern with him is that several teams are interested in him and need/want him more than the Mavs do.

Kirk on MMB has brought this point up a lot which I agree with and that's that the Mavs need a ball mover in the worst way. Josh Green might be our second best passer which is really saying something.

Luka is very high usage and we have seen THJ, Brunson can score but they are ball movers. We have spacer guys that will swing the ball (sometimes) but again are not playmakers.

J Rich was supposed to be at least a little bit of a playmaker but he is just a mess all the way around.

Mavs got to get a guy that moves the ball and makes plays other than Luka. As much as I like Holmes I think resurgence of Powell makes upgrading that position lower on the list. I also think a ball-move might actually get KP the freaking ball which then solves our KP problem.

If you can get a legit starting SG that can play-make and keep THJ are your 6th man scorer I think that is a successful offseason.

(05-06-2021, 01:28 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I can't really argue too much on Hollinger's list.  I would not have put three Grizzles on the list, but Hollinger use to work there.   He has Clint Capela at 5.   I find it interesting that Atlanta's run recently is mostly being led by Bogdan and Capela.    John Collins has had some very quiet games mixed with a good game or two.  In the last 10 games he is averaging 15 and 7.  Solid numbers but not something I would want to pay 30 million for.  

One guy who has really impressed me is Gafford in Washington.  What a steal he could turn into.   I was watching their game last night.  He didn't get much playing time until late.    He is still very raw, but he just oozes potential.  I know the Bulls picked up Theis as part of that trade, but man I would hate seeing him develop since leaving if I was a Bulls fan.

(05-06-2021, 02:59 PM)omahen Wrote: I think Holmes only makes sense if you move KP. Or to lesser extent Powell. Otherwise I totally agree, guard spots should have higher priority

(05-06-2021, 02:43 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Lots of discussion on Holmes. My concern with him is that several teams are interested in him and need/want him more than the Mavs do.

Kirk on MMB has brought this point up a lot which I agree with and that's that the Mavs need a ball mover in the worst way. Josh Green might be our second best passer which is really saying something.

Luka is very high usage and we have seen THJ, Brunson can score but they are ball movers. We have spacer guys that will swing the ball (sometimes) but again are not playmakers.

J Rich was supposed to be at least a little bit of a playmaker but he is just a mess all the way around.

Mavs got to get a guy that moves the ball and makes plays other than Luka. As much as I like Holmes I think resurgence of Powell makes upgrading that position lower on the list. I also think a ball-move might actually get KP the freaking ball which then solves our KP problem.

If you can get a legit starting SG that can play-make and keep THJ are your 6th man scorer I think that is a successful offseason.