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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Kammrath - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 01:28 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: KP to SAC for Holmes SnT, Bagley and a protected FRP
100% down with that. 100%.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - cow - 05-05-2021
Josh talking about himself in the 3rd person makes cow want to bench him for the rest of the season.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Mavs2021 - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 02:50 PM)cow Wrote: Josh talking about himself in the 3rd person makes cow want to bench him for the rest of the season.
I allow it, because he´s Australian, but yeah cut that crap.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 01:28 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Let’s say KP underwhelms in postseason or never plays again this year.
KP to SAC for Holmes SnT, Bagley and a protected FRP
Keep THj and JRich
Dragic MLE
Luka/Brunson
Dragic/JRich
DFS/THj
Maxi/Bagley
Holmes/Powell
Run it back with that deeper and more athletic squad. If things don’t work out we have 3 FRP’s to trade the following summer
That leaves you with 3 guys in the big rotation who can't play together because they can't shoot.
That also is selling very low on KP. Holmes is a UFA, Bagley is a mess and the pick is protected. If they can't do better than that then they are going to hold him unless he is completely broken or the locker room is.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - omahen - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 02:50 PM)cow Wrote: Josh talking about himself in the 3rd person makes cow want to bench him for the rest of the season.
Are you refering to the tweet? It was Josh Richardson speaking about Josh Green
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 03:52 PM)omahen Wrote: Are you refering to the tweet? It was Josh Richardson speaking about Josh Green
Not sure if cow was joking, either way I support it.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 10:16 AM)SamStetz Wrote: This is also why I’m preparing myself for the chance that JRich returns...pay him something and make Duffy happy. Even if it is “Powell-type” money to come off the bench, I think the Duffy role is something we overlook when we want to lose JRich as soon as possible this summer
No way JRich is back. No way.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 10:00 AM)Kammrath Wrote: I do not want that either....but I think this is a VERY real thing. We know RC often lets salary hierarchies dictate a lot too. I think @"DanSchwartzgan" is very perceptive and correct in saying there are real agent influences at work as well.
It honestly explains so much.
I think Duffy is the only reason why J Rich hadn't been benched sooner. Mavs have given him as much rope as they possibly can. They can't start him if he's playing awful. And if THJ can come off the bench without complaining then J Rich can come off the bench. THJ needs to be in the starting lineup. It doesn't necessarily tank J Rich's value, playing poorly tanks a player's value. If J Rich plays better off the bench then his value isn't going to tank at all.
As it stands J Rich should be fine contract-wise. His opt-in number is close to MLE and he just hasn't showing anyone that he's worth more than that. His value hasn't bottomed out either despite playing poorly. I think he's basically like a Delon Wright+ type rotation player at this point.
I could also see Mavs helping coordinate an opt-in and trade if it made sense for both parties.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-05-2021
(05-04-2021, 11:23 PM)Mavs03 Wrote: I think moving forward THJ should be our starting SG. Him and Luka have tremendous chemistry. We need someone who is at least a threat to hit a wide open 3. J-Rich should come off the bench.
Luka
THJ
DFS
Kleber
KP
Bench:
Brunson
J-Rich
Green
Powell
WCS
Burke, Redick, Melli, and Boban rounding out the bench
Hinton and Bey cheering from the sidelines
I think Green's energy off the bench will be a huge help. Hopefully, J-Rich will be motivated coming off the bench. As we approach the playoffs, we need a little more punch in our starting lineup. J-Rich and DFS, although our best defenders, cannot be depended on from an offensive perspective.
I think you are mostly right but I expect Powell to stay in the starting lineup for at least the rest of the regular season and probably to begin the playoffs. Mavs did the 5 out stuff for a while and even though THJ would improve that lineup I think Mavs have gone back to wanting that rim-rolling threat, at least for now.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 04:11 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I think you are mostly right but I expect Powell to stay in the starting lineup for at least the rest of the regular season and probably to begin the playoffs. Mavs did the 5 out stuff for a while and even though THJ would improve that lineup I think Mavs have gone back to wanting that rim-rolling threat, at least for now.
I think it may depend on who they are playing. Against Drummond he worked great. Against Holmes not so much.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Time Machine Dirk - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 04:31 PM)mvossman Wrote: I think it may depend on who they are playing. Against Drummond he worked great. Against Holmes not so much.
Nothing worked against the Kings. NOTHING!
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - dirkfansince1998 - 05-05-2021
Sign and trades are a longshot but for the mavs it is by far the best way to maximize the remaining assets and capspace.
Still love the recently proposed Pelicans trade ideas:
Ball (4/90) + Adams + minor pieces --> KP + Burke
Followed by an all out overpay for Duncan Robinson:
Richardson + picks --> Duncan Robinson (4/70)
If the Mavs reject all remaining options and capholds it should leave them with enough capspace to add one more guy in the 10-12m range, the rE and the BAE.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-05-2021
FYI I don't think 4/70 for Robinson is an overpay that's the going rate actually.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 04:31 PM)mvossman Wrote: I think it may depend on who they are playing. Against Drummond he worked great. Against Holmes not so much.
Rick doesn't like messing with lineups if he can avoid it. KP and Powell played together for many games last season so it's not really a stretch. I have been advocating for a return to last year's starting group for some time now. Even with KP out some games I still think Powell will be in the starting lineup. WCS has been good off the bench. If KP sits and Maxi is available, he is usually the one that will start next to Powell.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ClutchDirk - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 12:44 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Ah thanks, but do I just insert that as a link then here on the forum?
https://twitter.com/TheKobeBeef/status/1389773362713579523
It appears so, thank you!
Glad you know how now...
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - KillerLeft - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 07:33 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: how now
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Hogmelon - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 07:47 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:
Great minds run in the same gutters.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - ClutchDirk - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 07:47 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:
I see some caught my unique wording...
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - StepBackJay - 05-05-2021
Mo Bamba playing well. What if he gets hot here late in the year? The reason I bring him up is not bc the Mavs would want him. I think Bamba could make WCS disposable. WCS would fit the Powell role well. Bulls didn't really know how to utilize him. I think he'd be good next to KP.
RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - F Gump - 05-05-2021
(05-05-2021, 01:28 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Let’s say KP underwhelms in postseason or never plays again this year.
KP to SAC for Holmes SnT ........
I think we can end the conversation right there, unfortunately, because SAC's ability to sign Holmes (the first half of a "sign-and-trade" transaction) is very limited. Unless they do some significant salary clearing, all they can offer him is about 10.5M in year 1 salary, using Early Bird rights.
(Existing deals for Hield, Barnes, Fox, Hallibuton, Wright, Bagley PLUS 1st rounder leave them with less than that.)
If you think he's getting 10.5M or less, then this is a moot point, of course. But most here seem to think he's getting more.
SAC does have the ability to clear out cap room to offer him more, but you'd think they would do that roster juggling (and slicing) to be able to keep him, not for the benefit of another team.