(04-30-2021, 10:13 AM)Mapka Wrote: Are you getting this player by trading KP? True question. I don´t see it.

Working around the edges with our square peg to fit it in the end might be worth it. Trading KP now seems like throwing away all pegs and ending with a board (Luka) and a lot of big and small holes and some pieces way to small.

By the way in the NBA:  4th in Offense 15th in Defense >>> 10th in Offense 4th in Defense.

We all now that Defense can supercharge an Offense. But bad Offense kills every Defense.

(04-30-2021, 10:26 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Those are all fair points, I don't think we're getting a star moving KP but I feel that even if you moved him for Wiggins/pick then you'd at least have a reliable two way player next to Luka (which we have none of) despite all of Wiggins faults and more importantly you'd be able to use the minutes freed up by KP to fill with players who are more defensive/rim running oriented in the front court which I think that Luka AND Rick both operate with much better than with what we got today.  I just don't see KP as the second star that can outplay his flaws at this point.  He did for a while last year but if he isn't going to play good defense then it's time to reconstruct our roster.

(04-30-2021, 10:26 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: And like I've said, I hope the guy shuts me up in the playoffs.  If he played like he did last year I think a lot of people will eat crow.

[color=#2345678]"By the way in the NBA:  4th in Offense 15th in Defense >>> 10th in Offense 4th in Defense."[/color]

I do disagree with this though. I also think that it doesn't take much to put players around Luka and Rick to have you offense be more like 6 or 7 instead of 10 with a good defense but perhaps that's wishful thinking.

(04-30-2021, 10:53 AM)Mapka Wrote: But it´s ten years since a not top5 Offense won it all.

(04-30-2021, 11:03 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: For sure, definitely a balancing act.  I guess the foundation of my argument at this point is that it will be easier to attain a top 5 offense without KP then it will be to attain a top 10 defense WITH KP.  Would love for him to prove me wrong.  He's still good around the rim on D but opponents are just going to hunt out Luka/KP on pick and rolls every possession down the stretch in playoffs games and there's not much we can do to mitigate that damage right now.

(04-30-2021, 11:25 AM)Mapka Wrote: I´m not denying this. Still think keeping up with Luka/KP in points is easier than prevent CP-Booker/ Dame-wooden chair / Steph-Klay / LeBron-AD from scoring, who- or whatever you put next to Luka.

Not speaking about sometimes Luka obliterating players in the clutch.

Oh and I don´t say there is no chance to improve us by trading KP at all - it´s just such a minor chance I´m surprised how hellbent some people are to trade him.

(04-30-2021, 11:54 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: If Porzingis is gone, you can sell John Collins on his desired larger role, too. If the Hawks need an incentive to not match use the 2022 Charlotte pick. You get Richaun Holmes to bring the defense, while you build up Sengun/Jackson. Then you go to work on Lavine.

(04-30-2021, 01:56 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: He's averaging nearly 21/9 on 47/36/85. 

I can name 6 teams right now that'd kill to have KP on their team. GSW/POR/NOP/PHX/CHA/BOS are just a few. All those teams are dying for consistent 3pt shooting and a stretch 4/5. 

And that's before bringing in the out of nowhere fits like WAS/ATL/SAS/IND/TOR

That's 11 teams right there, 6 of them that make a lot of sense too (GSW/POR/BOS/WAS/ATL/NOP).

However, I will end with what I always end with any KP trade discussion; it doesn't matter/waste of energy because the Mavs are not going to trade KP.

(04-30-2021, 06:43 AM)Branduil Wrote: The key to trading KP is finding a team where he could be a great X-factor for them, not one of the main stars. That's why GS keeps getting brought up as a target- if Klay comes back healthy, KP could help them a lot, but it won't immediately kill their team if he misses some games. They're already way over the cap so his salary won't hurt them, and they have a number of assets which won't mature fast enough to help them win with their current core.

(04-30-2021, 07:42 AM)BolsDamols Wrote: I think if this were true, KP would have been traded already

(04-30-2021, 12:12 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Right I think GSW would do a Minney pick + Wiggins trade in 5 seconds for KP. Doesn't mean the Mavs would do it. Maybe the Mavs would rather have a proven player instead of Wiggins and a lotto rookie. That's where I think a 3-team trade is possible.

(04-30-2021, 12:17 PM)Mapka Wrote: Nobody is giving a good enough player for Wiggins and this maybe lotto pick.

We would also be as stupid as it gets to gift KP to GSW. No thanks.

(04-30-2021, 12:11 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: We don't know yet what's going to happen in the playoffs. If he gets injured then that is going to severely affect his trade value. If he has a good showing the playoffs which I full expect unless hampered by injury, then the Mavs have an opportunity to sell high on him honestly.

(04-30-2021, 12:17 PM)Mapka Wrote: We would also be as stupid as it gets to gift KP to GSW. No thanks.

(04-30-2021, 11:57 AM)omahen Wrote: And when all of that doesn't work in a year, you dump everyone and start from scratch again...

(04-30-2021, 12:25 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: KP trade ideas I am focused on involve the Warriors and that pick. I think they want KP and there's several possibilities for routing the pick and Wiggins to another team for a player the Mavs want.

For this type of move to work on draft night it means you would need guys under contract so a Collins S&T would be hard. 

If you remember last year Bucks tried to do a S&T for Bog before legally they could talk to FA's and it fell apart. Even if Bog had gone along it was basically illegal for them to agree to a deal with an FA before the opening of FA.

(04-30-2021, 12:54 PM)omahen Wrote: These are teams that could use a center and floor spacer, have the personel to cover for KP defensive shortcomings and have interesting assets:
- Boston. Deal around Smart and Rob Williams
- Charlotte: Rozier, PJ Washington, pick
- GSW: Wiggins, pick, Wiseman
- Indy: three team idea Stebbackjay gave is great. They don't need KP but they could jump into any of those deals as a third team sending Brogdon and stuff to Dallas
- Miami: they could sure use KP, but I just don't see what they would send back. They wouldn't do Robinson and Herro (and I think Herro is overrated anyway). Dragic, Robinson and Achiuwa doesn't really sound attractive to me.
- Pelicans desperately need shooting. Ball and a couple of picks would be a nice start
- Sacramento. Assuming Holmes is gone. Haliburton, Bagley and pick
- Toronto, if they go for one more push with Lowry. Anunoby, Boucher and a pick

(04-30-2021, 12:49 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: See. So at least say it: Our FO is bad. I don´t trust them at all. 

It says a lot that you´d rather keep a guy, who plays like a solid $18M player, the 57% of time he does play, and has one foot in the John Wall mansion on Blake Griffin island.

Most teams would cut their losses.

(04-30-2021, 12:49 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: He´s allegedly complaining about touches right now

(04-30-2021, 01:00 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: You overrate his trade value so much.

(04-30-2021, 01:00 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Most of these ideas are worth more than what we actually gave up for Porzingis in the original trade.