(04-30-2021, 01:39 AM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: ^ yep

finding a KP trade is going to be challenging

(04-30-2021, 01:46 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Wait for the offseason and let him regain some value...that didn´t work out.

(04-30-2021, 01:56 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: He's averaging nearly 21/9 on 47/36/85. 

I can name 6 teams right now that'd kill to have KP on their team. GSW/POR/NOP/PHX/CHA/BOS are just a few. All those teams are dying for consistent 3pt shooting and a stretch 4/5. 

And that's before bringing in the out of nowhere fits like WAS/ATL/SAS/IND/TOR

That's 11 teams right there, 6 of them that make a lot of sense too (GSW/POR/BOS/WAS/ATL/NOP).

However, I will end with what I always end with any KP trade discussion; it doesn't matter/waste of energy because the Mavs are not going to trade KP.

(04-30-2021, 02:21 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I think the league is past the point where counting stats determine a players trade value. We talked about his defensive short comings. Mentioned the questionable fit on offense and it´s not like those problems are some kind of secret otherwise other teams wouldn´t target him in the pick and roll or switch smaller defenders onto him.

But all of that doesn´t even matter. KP missed the first nine games of the season. Since his return he has missed 13/53. A max player that cannot stay healthy is not a good trade asset.

I agree that the Mavs probably won´t trade KP. There simply is no market and they don´t want to gift him away.

(04-30-2021, 01:39 AM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: ^ yep

finding a KP trade is going to be challenging

(04-30-2021, 01:56 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: He's averaging nearly 21/9 on 47/36/85. 

I can name 6 teams right now that'd kill to have KP on their team. GSW/POR/NOP/PHX/CHA/BOS are just a few. All those teams are dying for consistent 3pt shooting and a stretch 4/5. 

And that's before bringing in the out of nowhere fits like WAS/ATL/SAS/IND/TOR

That's 11 teams right there, 6 of them that make a lot of sense too (GSW/POR/BOS/WAS/ATL/NOP).

However, I will end with what I always end with any KP trade discussion; it doesn't matter/waste of energy because the Mavs are not going to trade KP.

(04-30-2021, 01:56 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I can name 6 teams right now that'd kill to have KP on their team. GSW/POR/NOP/PHX/CHA/BOS are just a few. All those teams are dying for consistent 3pt shooting and a stretch 4/5. 

(04-30-2021, 06:43 AM)Branduil Wrote: The key to trading KP is finding a team where he could be a great X-factor for them, not one of the main stars. That's why GS keeps getting brought up as a target- if Klay comes back healthy, KP could help them a lot, but it won't immediately kill their team if he misses some games. They're already way over the cap so his salary won't hurt them, and they have a number of assets which won't mature fast enough to help them win with their current core.

(04-30-2021, 07:51 AM)Mapka Wrote: That's the point.

But guess who also fits this bill, if we get a "star"-playmaker in this FA.

We have to think like someone, that wants to win - not like we would want to rebuild. And there is nothing out there, that would help us as much as a KP being healthy come playoff time.

(04-30-2021, 07:51 AM)Mapka Wrote: That's the point.

But guess who also fits this bill, if we get a "star"-playmaker in this FA.

We have to think like someone, that wants to win - not like we would want to rebuild. And there is nothing out there, that would help us as much as a KP being healthy come playoff time.

(04-30-2021, 08:15 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Have we seen this healthy version of KP this season or is this some kind of pipe dream? KP missed more than 1/3 of all games this season and ranks 3rd last in net rating among rotation players. Only Richardson and THJ are worse. Every single big on the roster except for KP is a net positive.

(04-30-2021, 08:23 AM)Mapka Wrote: We didn't see it constantly. But there were quarters he looked like the player we need.

I also think all stats for this year are as useful as a win 3.1 manual for a win10 - user. You mind find something in there, but you will be confused with the most part of it.

(04-30-2021, 08:26 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I could make the same case for THJ. Last games version of THJ might be better than the best version of KP. A lot of wishful thinking.

(04-30-2021, 08:41 AM)Mapka Wrote: Just no. KPs best game were hitting everything from everywere, including buzzerbeaters from the Logo in a splitsecond, while killing it on defence as the main cog.

And I have made the same case for THJ just now in the other thread. If we catch lightning in the bottle with both of them and have "normal" Luka they would go at least toe to toe with anyone.

(04-30-2021, 08:48 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: So you are ranking the ability of a player based on a one quarter/game/possession sample size? If that´s the case Luka has the GOAT supporting cast. Just needs to get lucky and hope that all players around him play the best basketball of their career for the rest of the season. Odds are in the 1:1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 range.

(04-30-2021, 08:54 AM)Mapka Wrote: That's a better chance than nearly all the trade KP and let THJ go for THT and Holmes ideas would provide.

In the end I think the chances KP and THJ have 4 good games out of 14 (both in a 7-Games-series) are quite good.

By the way you are using the same sample sizes against them

(04-30-2021, 07:51 AM)Mapka Wrote: That's the point.

But guess who also fits this bill, if we get a "star"-playmaker in this FA.

We have to think like someone, that wants to win - not like we would want to rebuild. And there is nothing out there, that would help us as much as a KP being healthy come playoff time.

(04-30-2021, 09:05 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: No. I am using a 40 games sample size for KP. And a 61 games sample size for THJ. Chances are that both will have more bad/mediocre games than good games.

(04-30-2021, 09:44 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: If I felt that there was a player available via free agency or trade this offseason (without using KP) that would fit that star mold and give us the convenience of just using KP as an X factor then I would agree but I don't see that name available.

I would almost argue the opposite.  Holding onto to KP makes us a team that is more focused on trying to force a square peg into a round hole and please someone's ego instead of focusing on winning.  Trading KP does not signal a rebuild.  We need to retool around Luka and working to find better skill sets to fit around him I think very much makes us a team that wants to win.

As for the very immediate future, I want the guy to be healthy and ball out in the playoff and contribute to wins like he did last year before going down.  For the long term future next to Luka, we need to build a competent defense and moving KP is probably the only way to do that.