(12-23-2020, 08:56 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: I dont understand why people think Buddy Hield is this gigantic upgrade over THJ.  If you look at things like Real Plus Minus, he would be a downgrade.  And Hield and THJ are both 28 years old, so it's not like Hield more fits the mold of a young up and coming future 3rd star who has tons of ceiling left to reach. 

I think the upside of playing in a bad small market franchise is everyone thinks you could thrive in another situation and it's nothing is really your fault, whereas being in a huge market bad franchise like the Knicks you just get endlessly mocked and become the league poster child for being overpaid.

(12-23-2020, 10:47 AM)cow Wrote: Hield's shooting is on another level and imagine what he could do catching open looks from Luka.

(12-23-2020, 10:47 AM)cow Wrote: Hield's shooting is on another level and imagine what he could do catching open looks from Luka.

(12-23-2020, 11:05 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Whatever increase youre getting in 3 point shooting you'e losing in defense.  And I'm not suggesting THJ is a great defender, but rather that he approaches something resembling average whereas Hield is just absolutely awful.     Even putting aside the personality and ego questions, I think trading for Hield to upgrade over THJ sends out assets to just marginally improve the position (at best).  

To me the obvious upgrade on the roster where you can get the most  bang for your resource buck is upgrading over Burke into a 2nd shot creator who could actually be  on the floor in the crunchtime 5 in a playoff series.  If anyone, including the Mavs, really thought Burke could be that guy he wouldn't be signing a contract for 3/10.  The Rockets have shown the limitations of 4 guys standing around while 1 guy dribbles for 20 seconds in the playoffs (and the Mavs have shown it in late game situations in the regular season).    Some people convinced themselves that Richardson can be that guy, but part of his struggles in Philly is he was asked to do too much of that when he really just needs to be a conventional 3D guy.

(12-23-2020, 10:47 AM)cow Wrote: Hield's shooting is on another level and imagine what he could do catching open looks from Luka.

(12-23-2020, 11:23 AM)michaeltex Wrote: Last season THJ was .434/.398 (FG%/3pt%) while Hield was .429/.394. Hardaway was 34th in 3pt% while Hield was 35th. Hardaway also took 24% fewer FGAs than Hield. 

Do you think Hield will be happy with lower usage? Is the expected improvement enough to justify whatever else is involved (rotation player/rookie/pick)?

(12-23-2020, 11:28 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Buddy Hield is a pure sharpshooter.  He's not even close to a shot creator and an offensive initiator.  He was forced to do some of that last year after Fox got hurt and was a turnover machine with the worst TOV% of his career.

https://kingsherald.com/articles/buddy-hield-sacramento-kings-shooter-optimized-watching-the-tape-luke-walton/

(12-23-2020, 11:40 AM)cow Wrote: I really think people are forgetting the league wide perception of THJ's contract was with the Knicks.

(12-23-2020, 11:43 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: No one is forgetting, it still plagues THJ to this day to the point where even Mavs fans have problems objectively evaluating him.

(12-23-2020, 12:15 PM)haveitall Wrote: The help that this team needs is at the PC/C position.  People keep bringing Buddy Hield, other guards, they are not that much better than THJ and JRich.  Those 2 are legit starters.  Unless you replace them with a star what's the point? At PF/C we have DFS who is a small forward and Porzingis who is a good player but needs a real big body to help him protect the paint and fight for rebounds (a draymond green type).  Gobert was too tall and slow and is now off the table.  Giannis would have been perfect, but is off the table.  Not who can be signed while keeping current players.

(12-23-2020, 11:05 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Some people convinced themselves that Richardson can be that guy, but part of his struggles in Philly is he was asked to do too much of that when he really just needs to be a conventional 3D guy.

(12-22-2020, 11:40 PM)Branduil Wrote: The Mavs shouldn't worry about backup PG until they have a contending-level starting lineup.

(12-23-2020, 08:56 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: I dont understand why people think Buddy Hield is this gigantic upgrade over THJ.

(12-23-2020, 12:46 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Buddy isn't strong on defense, but neither is THJ for that matter. 

(12-23-2020, 12:52 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote:  On offense you go  into 5% of conversion rate on 3 point attempts as though it's some massive gulf between players, meanwhile you just wave away marginal differences on defense as they're all pretty much the same.

(12-23-2020, 12:52 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: THJ isn't strong on defense.  Buddy is a laughing stock. 

(12-23-2020, 12:46 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Probably because Buddy Hield is an upgrade over THJ? RPM takes into account teammates, coaches, and a players performance relative to his team's performance on/off court. Buddy has been on BAD teams, some of the worst in the NBA, on what is probably a bottom 3 franchise, with an inept coach, and we're going to use this metric to compare him to THJ's time in Dallas?

I posted this a little while ago, but to really put in perspective of how good a shooter Buddy is:

-Buddy has made more 3's in the last 2 years than Seth Curry has made in his entire career (549 to 446).
-Buddy's worst year as a pro (his rookie year) saw him average 39% from 3, and made 148 threes total. Good for 29th in the league. Seth Curry last year made the most 3's he's ever made as a pro with 145.
-Buddy has 873 made 3's in his career. He's made the most 3's in the shortest amount of time in NBA history. He beat Steph Curry by 8 games.
-Buddy broke Damian Lillards record (599) of most 3pters made in the first 3 seasons of an NBA career with 602 made threes
- THJ has 944 made threes in his entire 7 year career, Buddy is on pace to surpass him this season, having reached THJ's mark in almost half as much time.

-Buddy has been top 5 in 3pt shots made in the NBA the last 2 years
-Buddy has shot on catch and shoot threes the last 4 years: 19/20- 41.3%, 18/19-46.0%, 17/18- 50.2%, 16/17- 42.3%

Buddy is in the same class of shooter as Steph Curry and Ray Allen. We all talk about how Richardson is going to thrive playing next to someone like Luka and how he's going to benefit from the space created. I can only imagine the kind of damage someone like Buddy could have playing next to a guy like Luka. Having that kind of pressure means that you can never leave him open, thus taking pressure off of Luka/Jrich/KP. It'd be akin to leaving Steph Curry wide open for 3. 

I'm also petrified in a THJ regression to the mean. By all accounts last year was a career year for him. He's a career 34% from 3 taking out last year. He improved nearly 6 percentage points playing next to Luka and playing RC's offense. After the shutdown we already have had some smoke that THJ is going back to his previous efficiency. Over 14 games in the bubble THJ put up 34% from 3. Smallish sample size (nearly 20% of the regular season) but it IS something to worry. If THJ isn't hitting 40% from 3, his value plummets significantly. 

Buddy isn't strong on defense, but neither is THJ for that matter. Buddy is also locked up at about the same number as THJ is for the next 4 seasons, while we're already fearing a 20 mil THJ extension.