(04-13-2021, 11:44 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Thinking about Josh Richardson, his extension and Bill Duffy today.  Came up with something interesting, though probably just coincidence.  

One of the issues with any plan that puts JRich on the street is it is probably poor agent management.  But, what location, besides here would be helpful to player/agent.  Turns out Duffy is the agent for both LaVine and Vucevic in Chicago (no, this doesn't end with LaVine in Dallas).  If there is a team where Duffy has the leverage to demand an extension for Josh, it is certainly Chicago.  They want LaVine to sign an extension this summer to avoid UFA in 22.

Chicago needs $14.2mm in cap room this summer to max LaVine and then extend him.  But, they are short.  Take out the $3.0 Arcidiacono NG and add in 4 holds and they have $12.43mm in space.  There are painful paths to more room through Young and Sato, but both are important rotation pieces.  This is where JRich comes in.  The difference between him at $11.615mm and Thaddeus Young at $14.19mm is $2.575mm.  Add that to $12.43mm and you have $15mm in space, just above the $14.2mm they need.

How would this work?  It would be a deal at or after the draft in the current season.  JRich would have to opt in (with the understanding Chicago will extend him later) and Chicago will have to guarantee Young's partial guaranteed 2022 contract.  The Mav's tried to do this with Ellis when he had a PO.  They also tried it with Jordan when he had a PO with the Clippers, but LAC wouldn't cooperate.   Young is in his final year at $14,190,000.  He's been very positive in +/- throughout his career, is a good facilitator and has a .599 TS% this season despite his lack of a three point shot.  His VORP and WS would be second highest on the Mav's if he were currently on the team.  In fact, he's an Advanced Stats darling with "A" grades in LEBRON, RAPTOR, Luck-Adjusted RPM and Box Plus Minus.  JRich takes over the slot Temple and Valentine currently occupy (non-shooting defensive wing).  So, both fit a positional need.

For Dallas, Young's salary would leave us with $20 million to throw around in FA or use in another trade.  With JRich and THJ gone, you'd need a facilitator who can also shoot.  In fact, the success of such a plan is completely dependent on how you fill this slot.  We already know we had interest in Fournier and Powell at the TDL.  That is also the estimate for Ball's price and the max you can give THT.  Or, maybe we combine someone with cap room to S&T into a bigger salary.  I realize some will view JRich for Young as a kiss-your-sister move.  But Young would add quite a bit to the front court rotation.  The key is the quality of player we get at the starting guard slot.  We would have the Room MLE for backup to DFS until Green/Bey can grow up some more.

KP/Powell/BAE
Young/Maxi/Bey
DFS/R-MLE/Green
FA/Brunson/Burke
Luka/Brunson/Terry

(04-14-2021, 03:26 AM)cow Wrote: Can we get a tip in the form a SRP for providing the cap space and younger player in the swap?  I've always liked Young but really haven't kept tabs on him a few years.

(04-14-2021, 08:18 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I am a huge Brunson fan but the "pretty much untouchable" is pretty laughable.

(04-14-2021, 08:18 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I am a huge Brunson fan but the "pretty much untouchable" is pretty laughable.

(04-14-2021, 08:33 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I don't think so because the thing is what are you going to get back that's better? It's not like teams are going to offer you Jokic in return so in that sense he is a piece that you are going to keep. There are guys teams are shopping and guys they want to keep. The Fournier, AG's of the world were available but Brunson wasn't a guy being shopped.

(04-14-2021, 08:44 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: If the quote is correct in the thinking of our FO then no one (even our FO), will know what we are going to get back that’s better, because they will only listen if LeBron is offered. There are a TON of better players out there that are in the talent space between Jalen and LeBron.

(04-13-2021, 11:44 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Chicago needs $14.2mm in cap room this summer to max LaVine and then extend him.  But, they are short.  Take out the $3.0 Arcidiacono NG and add in 4 holds and they have $12.43mm in space.  There are painful paths to more room through Young and Sato, but both are important rotation pieces.  This is where JRich comes in.  The difference between him at $11.615mm and Thaddeus Young at $14.19mm is $2.575mm.  Add that to $12.43mm and you have $15mm in space, just above the $14.2mm they need.

(04-14-2021, 08:56 AM)Aussiebballer Wrote: My concern is that isn’t he unrestricted when he hits free agency?
Though I also heard they could do a restructuring of he contact if they use cap space to increase and extend his deal.

(04-14-2021, 08:54 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: You are correct except there were guys being shopped and guys that weren't. In one sense "everyone" outside of your stars are available but in a practical sense you are happy with some guys and just aren't going to trade them unless someone knocks your socks off which again is unlikely.

The guys being shopped were AG bc his time was up, Fournier bc his time was up. Vucevic was a guy I think that wasn't being shopped but they got such a good package from the Bulls that they pulled the trigger. Lowry was being shopped but only for an overpay it appears. Like there are guys on the move and guys that aren't. There was no reason to make Brunson available really because he's a great fit on a cheap contract. Furthermore, he's not an all-star like Vucevic so teams aren't going to call up Donnie offering him an overpay because why would they?

(04-14-2021, 09:18 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: We know who was moved, we don’t know who was talked about. We know who was rumored to be talked about, some of those rumored names land between Jalen and LeBron. To act like we know what was offered is a bit off.

(04-14-2021, 09:10 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Right so @"F Gump" has said you can't do that because he would go through waivers if you don't guarantee his contract. If that's the case then of course the Mavs wouldn't do that. I am concerned ab losing him in UFA when some team overpays him to be their starting PG.

(04-14-2021, 09:24 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I am trying to dispute the idea that the Mavs are so punch-drunk in love with Brunson that he's not available for anybody as good or better than him. I think the reality is he isn't available because you didn't think he was worth giving up for Aaron Gordon or some of these other guys that were actually available.

(04-14-2021, 09:24 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I am trying to dispute the idea that the Mavs are so punch-drunk in love with Brunson that he's not available for anybody as good or better than him. I think the reality is he isn't available because you didn't think he was worth giving up for Aaron Gordon or some of these other guys that were actually available.

(04-14-2021, 09:58 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Ok, but I’m trying to say that we can’t possibly know that the players you named were the only ones being offered, or would be offered if they were listening to offers for him, or even actually just gauging value (like they most likely did with KP). 


I was commenting on what was quoted in the article posted (true reporting or not).