(03-30-2021, 02:25 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I've read enough of you to not take things personally with you esp. 

(03-29-2021, 10:44 PM)Kammrath Wrote: THIS. Internal development of talent is essential if the Mavs are going to reach their potential as an organization.

(03-30-2021, 02:31 PM)JamesConway Wrote: Total minutes played this season:

James Johnson 504
Josh Green 253
Tyler Bey 32

I fully agree that player development does not exclusively happen in-game (has anybody argued that?) but the difference in numbers is just too glaring for me to give the Mavs some slack here. 

No, I think they aren’t doing a good job developing those guys. 

Especially Bey‘s case is hard to understand. He didn’t even play 10% of Johnson‘s minutes despite the latter performing rather poorly throughout the entire season and both being forward-types. 

Also Green‘s minutes have come „by accident“ for the most part during the covid-period. Without he probably also sees less than 100 minutes up until game 40+

(03-30-2021, 02:31 PM)JamesConway Wrote: Total minutes played this season:

James Johnson 504
Josh Green 253
Tyler Bey 32

I fully agree that player development does not exclusively happen in-game (has anybody argued that?) but the difference in numbers is just too glaring for me to give the Mavs some slack here. 

No, I think they aren’t doing a good job developing those guys. 

Especially Bey‘s case is hard to understand. He didn’t even play 10% of Johnson‘s minutes despite the latter performing rather poorly throughout the entire season and both being forward-types. 

Also Green‘s minutes have come „by accident“ for the most part during the covid-period. Without he probably also sees less than 100 minutes up until game 40+

(03-30-2021, 02:37 PM)JamesConway Wrote: I think all parties involved would have been better off by just trading the picks for instant help or future assets down the road (to stagger for a bigger deal).

(03-30-2021, 02:37 PM)JamesConway Wrote: ...all parties involved would have been better off by just trading the picks for instant help or future assets down the road (to stagger for a bigger deal).

(03-30-2021, 02:37 PM)JamesConway Wrote: I think all parties involved would have been better off by just trading the picks for instant help or future assets down the road (to stagger for a bigger deal).

(03-30-2021, 02:40 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: It's funny because I think some of these rookies would have ended up getting more minutes if we didn't go through the covid stretch.  If you assume our record would have been better if we had a legitimate roster during that month and felt a little more secure about our spot in the playoffs then we probably wouldn't be playing such a short rotation today and getting a better look at those guys.  

(03-30-2021, 02:41 PM)fifteenth Wrote: The argument that development can't take place much outside of games has been made in the past. 

Am I wrong? I thought Green played a good bit at the beginning of the season, pre-team-covid. 

I'm not trying to change your opinion. Yours is as good as mine. Opinions are pretty much what I have. But, "x minutes is not enough minutes for our rookies" seems really subjective. In my imagination, the coaches have a methodology for how to develop a player, and specific thoughts about how game time fits in to that. What's your (or others here, please weigh in) methodology for deciding how many minutes a rookie "should" play. 

I'm not saying it's wrong to have an opinion based on feel. But the "rookies aren't playing enough" is thrown out enough that it would be helpful if we could hash out what we're using to come up with that claim.

*edit*

Let me push back on myself, before you have to. I don't think I have my "methodology" defined either. :-) So that's were someone could say that our opinions are kinda based on whether or not we trust the coaching staff.

I guess I'll just say, if we really wanted to sort out this question, it'd be good to have an idea of what should be done and why.

(03-30-2021, 02:40 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I can understand some angst about Green's minutes, especially when Iwundu was getting spot minutes after the covid timeline but I think in Bey's case there's a lack of trust in him reliably spacing the floor at the NBA level and I think those concerns have plenty of merit.  I also think that those Iwundu stretches recently could have just been us showcasing him for the deadline.

It's funny because I think some of these rookies would have ended up getting more minutes if we didn't go through the covid stretch.  If you assume our record would have been better if we had a legitimate roster during that month and felt a little more secure about our spot in the playoffs then we probably wouldn't be playing such a short rotation today and getting a better look at those guys.  

To me, it's always been a case by case basis with Rick and rookies so I feel like there's something he's seeing in practice that we aren't that makes him uncomfortable using those guys in game time situations and I choose to trust that decision making.

(03-30-2021, 03:08 PM)JamesConway Wrote: Angst is translated like fear, you‘re probably thinking of concern? that would be „Bedenken“ :-)

(03-30-2021, 03:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think the Mavs are trying to walk the line between maintaining the foothold they earned in the Western Conference playoff fraternity and moving forward with some young players in order to solve roster issues in the future, either by trading these young guys after they've shown something or by replacing the guys they do trade. While this approach might cause problems on both the win now goal and the develop talent goal, I think the fusion of those two things is the exact, right approach. While I can't swear that every detail of it has been executed perfectly because I'm not behind the scenes, in the organization, others can't swear the execution hasn't been perfect for the same reason.

(03-30-2021, 02:46 PM)fifteenth Wrote: James, you may turn out to be right, but I think you'll want this statement back if a couple of the four rookies turn into players with the Mavs. Year one, especially this year one, is way too early, imo, to be drawing these conclusions.

(03-30-2021, 02:24 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Time to let Roddy B rest in peace.

(03-30-2021, 02:37 PM)JamesConway Wrote: What is your stance on the Mavs‘ handling of the rookies minutes? Especially regarding Bey? Do you think they are doing a poor/solid/good job?

(03-30-2021, 03:36 PM)Kammrath Wrote: JG: I think he is one of the Mavs best defenders on the perimeter and maybe already the best. His offense needs work, but he is smart and moves without the ball. I do NOT understand why he hasn't gotten more burn. I truly think he should be taking all of Burke's minutes.

(03-30-2021, 04:03 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Something I saw on Mavs Twitter that's depressing is that Monta Ellis might be the best Mavs free signing ever (not including resigning guys like Dirk of course).

Every couple of years Fish and Donnie talk us into a superstar coming here and it's like Lucy and the football.

(03-30-2021, 04:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Wasn't Marion a sign and trade? I can't remember for sure, but I feel like he was. If so, I'm putting that one at the top of my list.