(03-26-2021, 08:11 AM)haveitall Wrote: Lonzo needs the ball (pun intended) in his hands and would take touches away from Luka.

(03-26-2021, 02:34 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Just saying Wiseman barely looks like an NBA basketball player right now and has battled injuries this entire year. He basically made a high school to NBA jump so it's not surprising he's struggling but he's going to need another year, maybe 2, to become competent. Why waste 2 years of Luka? 

The MIN pick is only good if it lands 4/5. If it does, then the Mavs have their choice at a top prospect in a pretty top heavy class which is good, but it's also putting even more faith in a rookie coming in and making an immediate impact. I think it's more of a gamble to hope 2 greenhorns turn out to be better than just KP even with his injury woes. 

Unless y'all are thinking to use Wiseman and the MIN pick to trade for another star? And if that's the case, why not just keep KP and use him to trade for that star you're going to use those assets for? 

It's been beaten to death. Mavs can't trade KP unless he breaks out, making him incredibly valuable. Any other scenario has the Mavs taking a multiple step backs from where they are now. It's a catch-22 because you need KP to play very well to make him a value target, but if he's playing super well there's no reason for the Mavs to trade him. 

Not trying to single you out btw, just using your post as a springboard.

(03-25-2021, 10:00 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Yeah I believe THJ is the guy gone. I've gone back and forth on it. 
But I think THJ has more value and arguably the better player but clearly worse on defense. 

If they really planned on him being back I don't think he's off the bench instead of DFS or Kleber. He said he believes he's a starter multiple times and while his attitude his good I don't think he likes being off the bench. I just have never gotten the vibe that's his end game. But he's a team player and will do it for now. 

I also think THJ's market will be much higher than Richardson. I'd suspect JR will get a deal somewhere around his current deal to 15 mill. I think THJ is getting 20 mill. It's a brutal market this summer overall and the shooting is very weak. 

I'm completely good with bringing them both back at this point. But I really don't see it happening. It's been my vibe from the minute we trade for Richardson.

(03-26-2021, 02:49 AM)Mapka Wrote: Or they can just keep KP

I like a KP-DP back to relativ health frontcourt ten times better than anything containing Capela.

(03-26-2021, 09:37 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: KP's value is a lot higher than people think around here. He is considered a star.

(03-26-2021, 09:45 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: There is no way THJ is getting 20 mil, who in the world is giving him that? NYK has the most cap space, they are certainly not giving him that. Most of the big cap space teams are rebuilding so they aren't going to pay THJ 20 mil a year. His market is lower than you think. I think he could and should have multiple full MLE multi-year deals. The Pels need shooting so I could see them giving him above MLE level money but in my view 15 is probably his max on a yearly basis. He is a shooter that plays hard but has limitations.

J Rich is still start money, somewhere where he gets paid now to that 15 mil mark. Again the issue for these guys is there aren't a bunch of teams with cap space that want to throw money at vets. The RFA market should be hot though.

(03-26-2021, 10:02 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: My hope is 12-15 per for these guys cause I think that’s their value on a contending team. My fear is that it only takes 1 team to offer more.

(03-26-2021, 10:11 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I think it is more about the totals not the first year salary. Both are in their late 20s. This is probably the last big contract they will sign. An extra year could make a big difference for both.

(03-26-2021, 10:19 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think that plays to our advantage too. If we can get both on the same contract starting at $12M for 5 years as opposed to teams offering $15M for 3-4 years, that becomes very advantageous!

(03-26-2021, 11:23 AM)SamStetz Wrote: I know that Brad’s had a few tweets mentioning how Dallas would pursue a bought out Drummond even though they expect him to go elsewhere, which is why I’m surprised Dallas wasn’t on the list of teams he is meeting with

(03-26-2021, 07:13 AM)Kammrath Wrote: A few things:

1) You make a GREAT point about the starting five. They continue to play amazing offense together and the best justification for the Mavs doing nothing at the TDL is their +12.5 net rating. Thanks for the reminder on that, we all need to be reminded of this data.

2) However your statement "the Mavs defense got unquestionable better with Jrich than without" is unequivocally false. The defense has been worse, MUCH worse with JR. The Mavs are 6.0 pts worse defensively this season in every minute he has played (1056 mins) versus when he has sat (965 mins). The offense has been better by 1.4 pts with JR, so if anything he has helped the offense.

3) The great starting lineup is playing better offense than anything the Mavs did last year, BUT they are also playing much worse defense, 5.8 pts worse in fact. So the net result of all the changes that happened this offseason have resulted in better offense and worse defense for what has become the starting core.

(03-26-2021, 09:57 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs have a good squad to compete in the playoffs, just have to see where KP stands at the end of the year. I think if he is really unhappy you could see some kind of big trade involving Warriors or Hawks. If you did bring Collins here you'd have to find a good frontcourt partner for him sans KP (ie Turner or someone like that).

(03-26-2021, 09:37 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: KP's value is a lot higher than people think around here. He is considered a star. I think you could get that Wiseman + Minney pick any time you want it. 

(03-26-2021, 12:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: I dont think you could get even one of those two assets right now.

(03-26-2021, 12:05 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: You're right. The Warriors would never trade us Wiseman or the MIN pick for KP. We'd just deny them.

No, they need to up the ante if they want our 7'3 strong frame slenderman. The only fair return that's possible in my eyes is none other than their injury prone PG that has a long history of ankle issues. 

(03-26-2021, 12:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: I dont think you could get even one of those two assets right now.

(03-26-2021, 09:53 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I think th KP/DP frontcourt is dead. Maxi is the frontcourt partner for the forseeable future unless Mavs make a big trade for Collins. DP looks to be regaining his footing as the 3rd big in the rotation though.

The rotation that seems to be forming for the rest of the year is our top 7, Powell overtaking WCS' minutes at 15-20 and now JJ Reddick being the 9th guy that takes up that 10-15 min from Burke. WCS and Burke will just get spot minutes. I imagine Rick and the MBT are hoping they go get closer to that 9 man rotation with less top-heavy minutes from the starters.