(03-08-2021, 11:57 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'll say it a million times, Boban's value as a chemistry guy is worth its weight in gold. We need a guy like that in a locker room. 

Would much rather add Burke than Boban.

(03-08-2021, 11:58 AM)SamStetz Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1368957178904797188?s=20

(03-08-2021, 12:46 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Okay but what place are when in again, 8th? Chemistry from your 15th guy is overrated.

(03-08-2021, 12:07 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: All three have been mentioned in trade rumors. All three should be on the Mavs radar. Not to mention that all three are playing on teams that also have some interesting vets.

(03-08-2021, 12:46 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Okay but what place are when in again, 8th? Chemistry from your 15th guy is overrated.

(03-08-2021, 12:01 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: It's creative for sure to workout a 3-team deal between GSW/CLE/DAL where KP goes to GSW and the Mavs get Love/Wiseman/whatever else is necessary.

But my main hangup is the fact we're basically trading out a 25 year old version of a stretch big thats oft injured for a 32 year old version of a stretch big thats oft injured.

Sure we get Wiseman, which is a good get don't get me wrong, but he isn't going to help the Mavs win now at all. And there is a realistic chance that Wiseman never develops past what he is now. 

It's risky, and a lateral move imo.

(03-08-2021, 12:56 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Bagley would be my first, second, and third choice out of those 3. I think here he'd have a clear defined role with minimal expectations and there wouldn't be the whole "We coulda had Luka" cloud hanging over him.

Bamba seems too uncoordinated to last in the league and while I like WCJr, I don't think he'd slide in so easily here.

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Sure we're 8th, but 2.5 games back from 5th and only 4gb from 4th. Very real argument that if the Mavs weren't ravaged by COVID they'd be sitting a lot higher in the standings, even with the issues they've had so far. 

Further, we can also say if we didn't have Boban keeping things lighthearted and the team together, the Mavs could be a lot worse off and might even be 12th/13th.

(03-08-2021, 01:01 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I think Boban has literally no effect on the Mavs standings in any sort of material way even tho I like him as a player and person.

(03-08-2021, 12:36 PM)cow Wrote: He works with @"mavsluvr" on the broadcast team.  He also doesn't seem drunk.

(03-08-2021, 01:00 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I think KP is overrated. Not a bad player but overrated. He is a stretch 5 that can play interior defense when healthy. He can score at a much higher clip than so-called other stretch 5s that can hit like a couple of outside 3's a game. I think Wiseman is a better fit so I like some kind of deal whereby you get Wiseman and cap space (ie Oubre). 

(03-08-2021, 01:28 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Overrated in what way might I ask? The only reason why I'm a little puzzled is because since KP has suited up for the Mavs, I feel he's been significantly underrated by many. People always have doubted him. They question if he can ever be healthy. Be an effective shooter. Work next to Luka. Question his attitude.

Some of these doubts obviously have merit and should be asked, but some are a bit of a stretch where we as fans are conjuring up narratives based on performance/interview snippets. 

From what we've seen so far is that KP is a 20/9 kind of guy, with potential to be a 26/10 kind of guy when he's 100%. How often he can be 100% is up in the air. So far he's played in 71% of games for the Mavs (not counting his post trade time where the Mavs deliberately kept him out). 

I don't think KP is untouchable in every case. I don't mind upgrading him for a player of his caliber today. But I think it's counterintuitive to winning if we're trading our clear cut 2nd player for projects or other oft injured guys.

(03-08-2021, 03:13 PM)Lucky Luciano Wrote: I understand some of you gentlemen feel KP's early play has been in need of desperate improvement even if you haven't noticed the last few games. I also understand some of you are bored atm and love coming up with cool trade possibilities especially if you feel it could shake things up and we could "Possibly" play better. 

Thing is for the love of God I cannot find myself anything but mind boggled at the idea of trading away a 25 year old budding super star for an old way out of his prime always hurt Kevin Love on a albatross contract that is still owed 3 years.

Please fellas, relax and enjoy the fact we are 9-2 our last 11 games and trending very positively after our Covid/Injury riddled team still managed to go into ASB with a plus 2 above 500 record. Remember that the 4th best team in the east in only 1 game above 500. I understand some panic a few weeks back but we don't need to fire sale everything not named Luka, we need to relax and have some faith

(03-08-2021, 05:31 PM)cow Wrote: I'm not sure about KP being overrated but his play has certainly been underwhelming.  I'm going to put a huge chunk of that blame on Carlisle and Luka. We were all excited about KP when the trade happened and during his rehab.  Most of his best play has come when Luka was hurt.  Maybe the pairing just doesn't work but I certainly don't love the lack of creativity in our offense in deploying the Unicorn.  The trade ideas are fun and I kind of side with the "part ways" camp mostly due to how injury prone he is.

(03-08-2021, 03:13 PM)Lucky Luciano Wrote: I understand some of you gentlemen feel KP's early play has been in need of desperate improvement even if you haven't noticed the last few games. I also understand some of you are bored atm and love coming up with cool trade possibilities especially if you feel it could shake things up and we could "Possibly" play better. 

Thing is for the love of God I cannot find myself anything but mind boggled at the idea of trading away a 25 year old budding super star for an old way out of his prime always hurt Kevin Love on a albatross contract that is still owed 3 years.

Please fellas, relax and enjoy the fact we are 9-2 our last 11 games and trending very positively after our Covid/Injury riddled team still managed to go into ASB with a plus 2 above 500 record. Remember that the 4th best team in the east in only 1 game above 500. I understand some panic a few weeks back but we don't need to fire sale everything not named Luka, we need to relax and have some faith

(03-08-2021, 06:15 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: I just think most of you are suffering from "Grass is always Greener" syndrome.  It's like we have these two camps that drastically underrate KP or drastically overrate him.

In all of these trades, you'll be on the short end of the stick short-term and probably long term for what you'll get.  Wiggins...come on.  Wiseman...meh-be...

Do I feel stuck right now?  Yes, but not stuck enough to sell incredibly low on KP.  I doubt seriously that Donnie and Cuban have shopped him adn still feel that is some rival agent or GM trying to muddy the waters to get a deal by driving his price down...that's more about someone seeing an opportunity, to me, than actual reality.

I would much rather stick it out, see what happens and then, if we are trading him, do it in the off-season...and hope his value goes up some, now that the Mavs are playing better, everyone is healthy and he's actually getting his legs under him somewhat.

I'm completely bought in on just leaving it like it is and seeing where we end up at the end of the season.  Outside of a major injury, I don't see his value dropping much more, and in all likelihood, it will increase.  If we had traded him right out of the bubble last year, no telling what we could have gotten for him...but right now, no.

(03-08-2021, 01:28 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Overrated in what way might I ask?