(12-15-2020, 07:47 PM)FunkBoreland Wrote: I don't think most people on this board realize how much of a "high culture" player is valued in a professional sports team. Your one of the few that repeatedly says this of Powell despite knowing his not the ideal Forward/Center, he has intangibles that doesn't show up on stats.

(12-15-2020, 08:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I disagree, especially if the alternative you suggest is another 3&D guy, which is how I view OPJ. If they could get a 3 who could ALSO floor the ball and make plays, I'd trade those dudes in a heartbeat. 

And, I'm not resigned to the idea that the upgrade has to be at the 3. I view Powell's spot as just as likely to be upgraded, even if you're correct that they're locked into starting him there FOR NOW, with THIS roster. That's certainly the position Giannis would've played, after all. So, we KNOW there are players they'd replace Powell with. 

Finally, while I don't know if the Mavs agree with this, MY opinion is that DFS is more desirable to keep and build around than Powell, and I LIKE Powell (before injury). I just REALLY like DFS. 

I hope that all makes sense.

(12-15-2020, 09:32 PM)Branduil Wrote: I feel like you're selling OPJ a bit short on offense. His career averages on PPG and shooting percentage are higher than DFS' best year, which was last year. This is despite OPJ playing on a variety of disastrously bad and mismanaged teams while DFS played on the most efficient offense in league history last year.  I think he could capably share the third-scorer role with JRich in our starting lineup.

(12-15-2020, 08:24 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Would you trade OPJ for THJ + DFS?

(12-15-2020, 09:59 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: If it came down to that being the only deal they accept, yes. I don't think that is enough salary outgoing though and I'd try to give them something else other than DFS. THJ and snt Lee for OPJ, something like that.

(12-15-2020, 10:09 PM)Branduil Wrote: THJ+DFS works on TradeNBA

(12-15-2020, 10:42 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Try THJ straight up for OPJ. There is something screwy going on with RealGM's and TradeNBA's trade machines. ESPN shows you need something like $4.9M to make the trade with THJ.

(12-15-2020, 09:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I agree with the philosophy your opinions stem from, believe me. 

I don't think the specific application of them to the examples above are correct, however. As Kammrath loves to point out on a daily basis, the data says that Powell/KP is a GOOD defensive pairing, and that DFS is much better at the 3 than the 4. 

But again, I'm with you on the overall philosophy.

(12-15-2020, 10:37 PM)Branduil Wrote: Step 1: THJ+DFS for OPJ

Step 2: James Johnson+future pick for Aaron Gordon

STARTERS / 2nd UNIT / RESERVES

Luka / Brunson
JRich / Burke / Terry
OPJ / Green / Hinton / Iwundu
Gordon / Maxi
KP / Powell / WCS / Boban

What's not to like?

(12-16-2020, 04:42 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: It's funny, people who lambast KP on his health are advocating trading for a dude who has missed nearly 36% of all games possible in his short career. 27 game rookie season, solid sophomore, then injury plagued 34 game 3rd year, and now an entire missed 4th year due to an ACL tear. Is that not a concern? If it isn't then why are we worried about KP? And if it is a concern, then why are we investing in this dude? 

Now I like Isaac. I think he'd be a good fit, but I just find it a little funny the lack of consistency . 


Also, the Magic will give up Vucevic or Gordon WAY before giving up on Isaac if money is an issue. And well if money isn't an issue, then Isaac isn't available since ORL will match anything.

(12-16-2020, 04:42 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: It's funny, people who lambast KP on his health are advocating trading for a dude who has missed nearly 36% of all games possible in his short career. 27 game rookie season, solid sophomore, then injury plagued 34 game 3rd year, and now an entire missed 4th year due to an ACL tear. Is that not a concern? If it isn't then why are we worried about KP? And if it is a concern, then why are we investing in this dude? 

Now I like Isaac. I think he'd be a good fit, but I just find it a little funny the lack of consistency . 


Also, the Magic will give up Vucevic or Gordon WAY before giving up on Isaac if money is an issue. And well if money isn't an issue, then Isaac isn't available since ORL will match anything.

(12-16-2020, 05:09 AM)Dundalis Wrote: Gordon IMO is one of those guys who's value is at an all time low, but who I'm convinced is a candidate for a MIP type leap if moved to the right team. Perfect trade target to be had cheaper than what his actual talent level is. Isaac scares me almost as much as OPJ. He's way younger, but he's one of those guys who just looks injury prone by his body type alone.

(12-16-2020, 05:06 AM)omahen Wrote: Totally agree with everything you said. Realistically, Isaac can perhaps be get if we offer max (or very close to it). Anything less will be certainly matched by Orlando. In order to get to the max space we have to give up JRich, THJ and all other non guaranteed contracts. And we still risk Orlando matches the offer. 

(12-16-2020, 05:06 AM)omahen Wrote: Question for CBA and cap experts - can you submit an offer for RFA without actually having the needed cap space? Like being opportunistic - if it gets through, we will take care of cap space later.

(12-16-2020, 05:06 AM)omahen Wrote: Question for CBA and cap experts - can you submit an offer for RFA without actually having the needed cap space? Like being opportunistic - if it gets through, we will take care of cap space later.