(03-03-2021, 05:53 PM)cow Wrote: Though you can tell that don't catch many Mavs games or aren't paying attention.  They rave about THJ and he's kind of turned into an every other game/every third game type of performer.

(03-03-2021, 06:09 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: I'm not saying J Rich is a bad player. I would rate his performance with the Mavs about 5.5-6.5, with 5 being medium. 

But when they were selling him to the fans, Carlisle said they wanted a guy who could guard point guards and who could take over the ball-handling some to enable Luka to play off the ball. He hasn't really done either of those things to any great extent. Not sure he is able to give what they want from that spot in the lineup. 

He doesn't seem to consistently offer anything special on either end. But there are probably teams who could use a pretty decent all-around two-way player. And I haven't given up on him improving. Playing next to Luka is probably his best opportunity to showcase himself.

(03-03-2021, 06:18 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: The other guy was Jonathan Tjarks, one of the biggest Mavs fans there is. Not saying that makes his opinions more or less valid, but he definitely watches.

(03-03-2021, 04:59 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: If he can't improve his offense the 2nd half of the season over where it's been, he should opt in and try to hit the market again after a rebound season (or he should squeeze his current overpaid contract out for all it's worth) 


 I mean ... he's  getting really close to Kris Dunn territory of defensive specialist guard who can't carry his weight on offense.   JRich's career PER is now 12.6 and Kris Dunn's is 11.9.  And Kris Dunn got 2/10 on the market.

(03-03-2021, 03:37 PM)omahen Wrote: Can we construct a deal with Orlando for Gordon?

Another intriguing 4 team deal I am playing with: KP+Brunson for Collins+Ball+Zubac

(03-03-2021, 06:18 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: The other guy was Jonathan Tjarks, one of the biggest Mavs fans there is. Not saying that makes his opinions more or less valid, but he definitely watches.

(03-03-2021, 07:40 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Also BS does watch a lot of Mavs bc he loves Luka and he is generally Mavs-friendly, loves Dirk.

(03-03-2021, 07:40 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Also BS does watch a lot of Mavs bc he loves Luka and he is generally Mavs-friendly, loves Dirk.

(03-03-2021, 06:24 PM)mvossman Wrote: Dunn is a bad comp.  He has been off on his 3 so far this year, but he is generally roughly league average for his career (with reasonable expectation that will increase with Luka) on a healthy number of attempts.  It's enough to provide spacing and not tank the offense.  Dunn does not provide any spacing, which would kill this offense.

I can't imagine JRich opting in even if he continues to play this poorly (which is unlikely given his history).  There is just too much money out there.  Absolute worst case he will get the MLE.

(03-04-2021, 08:54 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I'm getting the feeling that JRich is the type of player that needs more time with his teammates to really show what he's got. I think if he had stayed in Phil, he'd have improved his numbers this year over last. I'm gonna keep thinking that until next year if he's still on the team. If by the allstar break next year he isn't coming into his own on the team, that's when I'll start believing he is what he is. 

He does bring defense on the team at a position that is needed with Luka being our PG, he is also a great FT shooting option in tight games where defense is needed. That 3% is dreadful though. We've put up with some really bad 3 pt shooters over the years though (looking at you DFS, and the attempt to make Powell into one, and even Maxi at first, Brunson, esp Luka and KP but we know with them why) and came away with statements like "I'll only trade him for a superstar".

(03-04-2021, 08:59 AM)omahen Wrote: Btw: he is at 24 consecutive FT scored.

(03-04-2021, 08:54 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I'm getting the feeling that JRich is the type of player that needs more time with his teammates to really show what he's got. I think if he had stayed in Phil, he'd have improved his numbers this year over last. I'm gonna keep thinking that until next year if he's still on the team. If by the allstar break next year he isn't coming into his own on the team, that's when I'll start believing he is what he is. 

He does bring defense on the team at a position that is needed with Luka being our PG, he is also a great FT shooting option in tight games where defense is needed. That 3% is dreadful though. We've put up with some really bad 3 pt shooters over the years though (looking at you DFS, and the attempt to make Powell into one, and even Maxi at first, Brunson, esp Luka and KP but we know with them why) and came away with statements like "I'll only trade him for a superstar".

(03-04-2021, 09:19 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I believe he will get hot and prob finish around 35% for the season.

(03-04-2021, 09:51 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Free throw percentage is great, but it really goes hand in hand with how often you get to the line.    If you're hitting 90% of your free throws but you're only shooting 2 attempts per game, it's not really moving the needle.

(03-03-2021, 10:45 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: I mean, career 35% from 3 isn't great from a combo guard, but the problem is that's what he is best at on offense.. he's below average at distributing the ball, below average at getting to the line, below average at scoring off the dribble.   He's just kinda like that "utility player"  in baseball who hits .220 and plays 4 different position but all of them at a mediocre or sub mediocre level.    I really wonder what the consensus opinion of JRich would be if he had played his career in Charlotte or Sacramento rather than having built a reptaution with Pat Riley, Spoelstra and "Heat Culture".