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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - ItsGoTime - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 08:11 AM)haveitall Wrote: Lonzo needs the ball (pun intended) in his hands and would take touches away from Luka.Wait, isn't that the point of getting another ball handler? RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 02:34 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Just saying Wiseman barely looks like an NBA basketball player right now and has battled injuries this entire year. He basically made a high school to NBA jump so it's not surprising he's struggling but he's going to need another year, maybe 2, to become competent. Why waste 2 years of Luka? KP's value is a lot higher than people think around here. He is considered a star. I think you could get that Wiseman + Minney pick any time you want it. I do worry about KP's happiness here. Maybe a playoff run will help make the guys grow closer together. Right now KP and Luka's relationship is weird on and off the court. They just seem like two guys that play on the same team but have no real chemistry. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 03-26-2021 (03-25-2021, 10:00 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Yeah I believe THJ is the guy gone. I've gone back and forth on it. There is no way THJ is getting 20 mil, who in the world is giving him that? NYK has the most cap space, they are certainly not giving him that. Most of the big cap space teams are rebuilding so they aren't going to pay THJ 20 mil a year. His market is lower than you think. I think he could and should have multiple full MLE multi-year deals. The Pels need shooting so I could see them giving him above MLE level money but in my view 15 is probably his max on a yearly basis. He is a shooter that plays hard but has limitations. J Rich is still start money, somewhere where he gets paid now to that 15 mil mark. Again the issue for these guys is there aren't a bunch of teams with cap space that want to throw money at vets. The RFA market should be hot though. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 02:49 AM)Mapka Wrote: Or they can just keep KP I think th KP/DP frontcourt is dead. Maxi is the frontcourt partner for the forseeable future unless Mavs make a big trade for Collins. DP looks to be regaining his footing as the 3rd big in the rotation though. The rotation that seems to be forming for the rest of the year is our top 7, Powell overtaking WCS' minutes at 15-20 and now JJ Reddick being the 9th guy that takes up that 10-15 min from Burke. WCS and Burke will just get spot minutes. I imagine Rick and the MBT are hoping they go get closer to that 9 man rotation with less top-heavy minutes from the starters. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 03-26-2021 Mavs have a good squad to compete in the playoffs, just have to see where KP stands at the end of the year. I think if he is really unhappy you could see some kind of big trade involving Warriors or Hawks. If you did bring Collins here you'd have to find a good frontcourt partner for him sans KP (ie Turner or someone like that). RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - HanspardShowerVoice - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 09:37 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: KP's value is a lot higher than people think around here. He is considered a star. Fans may talk about him being a "star", but an NBA General Manager sees a guy on a max contract who hasn't even sniffed 3rd team All NBA who can't stay healthy for longer than 2 months and who is now being dangled by his 2nd team in 3 years .. which is generally not how "stars" are treated by their teams. Like Minnesota lays awake at night thinking about ways they can keep KAT happy so that he stays. That's how stars are treated in the NBA. And personally, I think the whole KP unhappiness thing is overblown. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - ItsGoTime - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 09:45 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: There is no way THJ is getting 20 mil, who in the world is giving him that? NYK has the most cap space, they are certainly not giving him that. Most of the big cap space teams are rebuilding so they aren't going to pay THJ 20 mil a year. His market is lower than you think. I think he could and should have multiple full MLE multi-year deals. The Pels need shooting so I could see them giving him above MLE level money but in my view 15 is probably his max on a yearly basis. He is a shooter that plays hard but has limitations.My hope is 12-15 per for these guys cause I think that’s their value on a contending team. My fear is that it only takes 1 team to offer more. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - dirkfansince1998 - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 10:02 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: My hope is 12-15 per for these guys cause I think that’s their value on a contending team. My fear is that it only takes 1 team to offer more. I think it is more about the totals not the first year salary. Both are in their late 20s. This is probably the last big contract they will sign. An extra year could make a big difference for both. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - ItsGoTime - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 10:11 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I think it is more about the totals not the first year salary. Both are in their late 20s. This is probably the last big contract they will sign. An extra year could make a big difference for both.I think that plays to our advantage too. If we can get both on the same contract starting at $12M for 5 years as opposed to teams offering $15M for 3-4 years, that becomes very advantageous! RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - dirkfansince1998 - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 10:19 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think that plays to our advantage too. If we can get both on the same contract starting at $12M for 5 years as opposed to teams offering $15M for 3-4 years, that becomes very advantageous! I think the Mavs will try to match all contract lengths with KPs deal. Meaning that 3 years is the max they will offer. If the first build around Luka-KP and supporting cast fails they could make a cut and start from scratch (around Luka and 1-2 max slots). RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - SamStetz - 03-26-2021 I haven’t seen anything, but did Brad address the Chris Haynes tweet that didn’t mention Dallas? I know that Brad’s had a few tweets mentioning how Dallas would pursue a bought out Drummond even though they expect him to go elsewhere, which is why I’m surprised Dallas wasn’t on the list of teams he is meeting with RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - KillerLeft - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 11:23 AM)SamStetz Wrote: I know that Brad’s had a few tweets mentioning how Dallas would pursue a bought out Drummond even though they expect him to go elsewhere, which is why I’m surprised Dallas wasn’t on the list of teams he is meeting with So, I obviously don't KNOW, but I suspect that what's missing here is the part where all the teams interested have already spoken to the agent and know what the player is looking for, particularly in terms of NEXT season. Dallas was probably only attractive to Drummond in that they potentially have space to PAY him next year. Maybe ending a season in LA and shot a championship is attractive, to a point, but really what the dude is focused on is getting his NEXT big deal. I'm fine with the Mavs being upfront about the fact that they don't intend to make that mistake. My prediction is that he ends up in NY, and that he might even sign a deal there for more than the minimum (they have cap space.) RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - michaeltex - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 07:13 AM)Kammrath Wrote: A few things: Are possessions the same? Are the teams playing at a similar pace since that means more offensive and defensive plays so both stats could appear to rise if not normalized. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - michaeltex - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 09:57 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs have a good squad to compete in the playoffs, just have to see where KP stands at the end of the year. I think if he is really unhappy you could see some kind of big trade involving Warriors or Hawks. If you did bring Collins here you'd have to find a good frontcourt partner for him sans KP (ie Turner or someone like that). To me, with everything that has gone on (short off season, earlier than expected start, almost no training camp, KP knee recovery, COVID, just to name a few) if the Mavs make it to the 2nd round and everyone finishes healthy then it's a win and anything past that is gravy. Especially if KP finishes without some kind of injury that will require all offseason+ to recover. That should give him the ability to work on his areas for improvement. He should pay DFS to spend the summer guarding him so he gets more comfortable dealing with shorter guys and eliminates that as an option for opposing defenses. Dirk tried to add something new for almost every year he played. The one-leg fadeaway didn't just happen, it took physical training and repetition. Luka is trying to bring something improved for each season, or so he says. KP hasn't had that as an option in about 3 years now. I'm no trainer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express (back before the pandemic). RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 09:37 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: KP's value is a lot higher than people think around here. He is considered a star. I think you could get that Wiseman + Minney pick any time you want it. I dont think you could get even one of those two assets right now. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - SleepingHero - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 12:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: I dont think you could get even one of those two assets right now. You're right. The Warriors would never trade us Wiseman or the MIN pick for KP. We'd just deny them. No, they need to up the ante if they want our 7'3 strong frame slenderman. The only fair return that's possible in my eyes is none other than their injury prone PG that has a long history of ankle issues. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - cow - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 12:05 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: You're right. The Warriors would never trade us Wiseman or the MIN pick for KP. We'd just deny them. To be fair, only the Mavs have made bad trades related to the Curry family. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 03-26-2021 Based on everything I've heard/read...it's all been a version of: "There's no way the Mavs could trade KP right now even if they arent convinced in him. His value is as low as it has ever been. Definitely lower than when the Mavs traded for him." and I'm not even on the trade KP bus or I dislike KP train but obviously my outlook on him today is not the same as the day we made that trade with NY. It's definitely lower. Not sure how much lower. The Mavs got him for two low first round picks and DSJ. Now he's had one more significant injury and is on a max contract. There's no chance in hell you're getting essentially two top 5 picks for him. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - HAguiar95 - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 12:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: I dont think you could get even one of those two assets right now. Not unless they're attached to Wiggins. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - Mapka - 03-26-2021 (03-26-2021, 09:53 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I think th KP/DP frontcourt is dead. Maxi is the frontcourt partner for the forseeable future unless Mavs make a big trade for Collins. DP looks to be regaining his footing as the 3rd big in the rotation though. I have Maxi as the third big in my imagination, because he will be playing the KP role as long as KP is sitting. The minutes will be spread over this three with Boban and WCS sprinkled in. So I couldn't care less who is 2 or 3. Just can't stand CC and Collins will be overpaid and scares the shit out of me with his PEDs. Would have said I prefer Maxi/DP to them if it wasn't too ridiculous. |