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(11-20-2020, 12:07 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2020, 12:02 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]You called for this, how happy are you?

What do you mean? The Curry-Richardson trade? I couldn't be happier, said it many times since draft. This was literally my top non star trade possibility.

Yes
So let's hope you were right.
I like it much better after picking Terry.

Josh Richardson question:

Why does half the board think that playmaking is in his toolbox, and half the board thinks playmaking is not in his toolbox?

I think he has it.

(11-20-2020, 12:29 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Richardson question:

Why does half the board think that playmaking is in his toolbox, and half the board thinks playmaking is not in his toolbox?

I think he has it.

I think he's no primary playmaker and was overexposed in Philly and for longer streches in Miami. We will see, if it's enough next to Luka.

His defence seems to fit perfectly.

(11-20-2020, 12:29 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Richardson question:

Why does half the board think that playmaking is in his toolbox, and half the board thinks playmaking is not in his toolbox?

I think he has it.

The argument is in the language. Everyone sees the meanings of "star, 3rd guy, 2nd ball-handler, secondary ball-handler, playmaker, secondary playmaker" differently. 

Some of the people arguing might literally think "secondary playmaker" means backup PG. 

Richardson was miscast in Philly and asked to handle the ball way too much, that's true. And, it's also true that other options, like Hayward, would've been MUCH better choices if secondary playmaking had been the most crucial thing, as I've suspected. My interpretation of this move is that the MAVS were focused on finding a guy whose DEFENSE was the main thing all along, just like many have said. 

I agree with you that their plan for him on offense will include some secondary playmaking, and that an additional move to snag another new starting wing whose main thing is secondary playmaking (this season) isn't likely. 

I think people are getting hung up on a lot of the grey area of that conversation.

(11-20-2020, 01:26 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2020, 12:29 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Richardson question:

Why does half the board think that playmaking is in his toolbox, and half the board thinks playmaking is not in his toolbox?

I think he has it.

The argument is in the language. Everyone sees the meanings of "star, 3rd guy, 2nd ball-handler, secondary ball-handler, playmaker, secondary playmaker" differently. 

Some of the people arguing might literally think "secondary playmaker" means backup PG. 

Richardson was miscast in Philly and asked to handle the ball way too much, that's true. And, it's also true that other options, like Hayward, would've been MUCH better choices if secondary playmaking had been the most crucial thing, as I've suspected. My interpretation of this move is that the MAVS were focused on finding a guy whose DEFENSE was the main thing all along, just like many have said. 

I agree with you that their plan for him on offense will include some secondary playmaking, and that an additional move to snag another new starting wing whose main thing is secondary playmaking (this season) isn't likely. 

I think people are getting hung up on a lot of the grey area of that conversation.

Gotcha. Right. He's not that star secondary playmaker we've discussed. I wasn't bringing that past part of the wishlist into the JRich conversation.

I was treating Josh as a new thing, a "more balanced than Curry", a "what we thought Delon could be", a good fit, legit starting guard who's skill set makes him a good backcourt mate for Luka, and who has enough playmaking to let THJ focus on what he does well. I bascially see him as a guy that's diverse enough, and skilled enough (legit starter) to bring this starting lineup together.

We never could actually find that last year, because Delon was brought in to do that, but couldn't. Seth became the default, but it was obvious he wasn't the optimal solution.

(11-20-2020, 01:53 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Gotcha. Right. He's not that star secondary playmaker we've discussed. I wasn't bringing that past part of the wishlist into the JRich conversation.

I was treating Josh as a new thing, a "more balanced than Curry", a "what we thought Delon could be", a good fit, legit starting guard who's skill set makes him a good backcourt mate for Luka, and who has enough playmaking to let THJ focus on what he does well. I bascially see him as a guy that's diverse enough, and skilled enough (legit starter) to bring this starting lineup together.

We never could actually find that last year, because Delon was brought in to do that, but couldn't. Seth became the default, but it was obvious he wasn't the optimal solution.

Totally agree with every word, pal. Same page.

(11-20-2020, 12:29 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Richardson question:

Why does half the board think that playmaking is in his toolbox, and half the board thinks playmaking is not in his toolbox?

I think he has it.

I think he's a good secondary playmaker next to Luka.  Fits perfectly in the starting lineup.

I don't think he's a good secondary playmaker that's gonna run the offense when Luka goes to the bench.  His handles aren't good enough to break down defenses.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/josh-...right-now/


The shooting stats are quite interesting. From Heat to Sixers. And how many wide open 3's he took.

32 % of his 3's were wide open on the Sixers. On the Heat it was 40 %.



If i am not too dumb to read the stats. From 293 three pointers DFS took this season, 233 were "wide open". Resulting in 78,4 %

(11-20-2020, 05:20 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2020, 12:29 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Richardson question:

Why does half the board think that playmaking is in his toolbox, and half the board thinks playmaking is not in his toolbox?

I think he has it.

I think he's a good secondary playmaker next to Luka.  Fits perfectly in the starting lineup.

I don't think he's a good secondary playmaker that's gonna run the offense when Luka goes to the bench.  His handles aren't good enough to break down defenses.

Yeah, we're on the same page. I'm not thinking of him as the backup pg. I'm thinking of him as the secondary playmaker in the starting lineup.

(11-20-2020, 12:29 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Richardson question:

Why does half the board think that playmaking is in his toolbox, and half the board thinks playmaking is not in his toolbox?

I think he has it.

Because half of us are correct and half of us are wrong.

(11-20-2020, 05:58 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2020, 12:29 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Richardson question:

Why does half the board think that playmaking is in his toolbox, and half the board thinks playmaking is not in his toolbox?

I think he has it.

Because half of us are correct and half of us are wrong.

So he does have playmaking but it's.... The issue is that it comes at the expense of his shooting game. He's not a guy that creates his own shots and when he does he's not particularly efficient. He's a good passer and can find guys but he's not a guy that's going to be initiating your PNR game efficiently. He's sort of pretty good at both. But not when doing them at the same time. 

That's my kind of read on the situation and why there's sort of mixed feelings on his playmaking. 

I think he'll be a fantastic fit here because he'll not have to create much and he can drill open 3s at a very good clip. 
But I don't think he's going to help get Luka much rest initiating the offense. 

But I could see a scenario where between him and THJ there is enough passing and ball handling (Richardson is capable as a ball handler) where it sort of gets you a sort of combo of secondary playmaking within your team offense.

(11-23-2020, 12:53 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ6lt57NJfs

 So his nickname will be Le Bey-Ron.

First thing out of his mouth: I can defend all five positions.

(11-22-2020, 12:01 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]But I could see a scenario where between him and THJ there is enough passing and ball handling (Richardson is capable as a ball handler) where it sort of gets you a sort of combo of secondary playmaking within your team offense.

Yes, exactly. Btwn him and THJ you will get what you need out of your wings. The other thing is simply that you cannot underestimate how big of an impact Luka makes on all of his teammates. We are talking about an MVP-candidate who might be the best playmaker in the entire NBA. Him being out there makes all these guys better. Rick also knows how to make these guys successful. We thought THJ would be dead weight and he had a really nice year. THJ shot almost 40% from 3 bc he was getting wide open shots.

J Rich is a slightly better passer and I think comparable shooter to THJ especially in this offense.

(11-23-2020, 01:06 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]First thing out of his mouth: I can defend all five positions.

I do think with the right development of technique he absolutely can. His build is almost EXACTLY the same as RoCo (their body measurements are basically the exact same, but TBey is a better athlete). TBey has all the tools, the question will be whether he develops the toughness and technique to capitalize on that.

(11-23-2020, 01:25 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]J Rich is a slightly better passer and I think comparable shooter to THJ especially in this offense.

I'd say their passing is similar, but Richardson's handles are so vastly superior to THJ's that people will assume he's a better passer because he's able to create advantageous passing angles. 

And, my god, if he's "comparable" to the shooting that THJ gave them last year, that's damn near an all-star, imo. I have a hard time seeing that, but I'd welcome it with open arms. I think Richardson is a guy you like to have as the dude other teams leave open. He'll make those at a high clip, and his percentage will increase, as you say. If that guy on your team makes more of them then that guy on the other team does, huge advantage. Kind of like DFS did last year. The "Luka effect" on guys like that is that the catch happens with great ball positioning and rhythm, and from a less predictable passing angle. The attempt is more wide open as a result. But, I don't anticipate that the Mavs will build their offense around getting him catch and shoot 3's as a first or second option like they did with THJ (or like they WOULD do with Hield). 

Again, THJ did not stand around waiting for his man to help someone else like DFS did. He played a much more primary role on the offensive side of the ball.

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(11-23-2020, 01:41 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I do think with the right development of technique he absolutely can. His build is almost EXACTLY the same as RoCo (their body measurements are basically the exact same, but TBey is a better athlete). TBey has all the tools, the question will be whether he develops the toughness and technique to capitalize on that.

Yes, he is the definition of a switchable defender. There'll be some growing pains, but I don't doubt he can get there on the NBA level at all. 

The question about Bey is offense. But, I fully believe they'll play him at the 4, where one can envision him as the roll man pretty easily. Still, it's going to take him a while to master all the permutations of when to roll, when to short roll, when to slip, when to pop, what to do with the ball on a short roll, when to make the extra pass vs. forcing a shot up, etc. I think he can do it, but it's going to take a while.

(11-23-2020, 01:06 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2020, 12:53 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ6lt57NJfs

 So his nickname will be Le Bey-Ron.

First thing out of his mouth: I can defend all five positions.

Liking that defense! I am hoping one of these guys emerges in the next couple of years to be our defensive stopper. Mavs absolutely need that to be a contender. J Rich gives you some of that which we desperately need.

(11-23-2020, 01:47 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, he is the definition of a switchable defender. There'll be some growing pains, but I don't doubt he can get there on the NBA level at all. 

The question about Bey is offense. But, I fully believe they'll play him at the 4, where one can envision him as the roll man pretty easily. Still, it's going to take him a while to master all the permutations of when to roll, when to short roll, when to slip, when to pop, what to do with the ball on a short roll, when to make the extra pass vs. forcing a shot up, etc. I think he can do it, but it's going to take a while.

Yeah I definitely see him as a 4/3 (leaning 4 because of his rim rolling potential). 

I really don't think our view of him is all that different. 

I basically see TBey as a RoCo starter kit (and I see Roco as a 4/3), and just hope he has the intangibles and the context with DAL to make him into what I am so convinced he can be.

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P.S. I am going to change my "title" on this website to "Tyler Bey FanBoy"....I think we need a resident one.

The one thing that stands out when it comes to JRichs defense is the ability to fight through screens. Just a really good onball defender against any ballhandler.
Now I just hope that one of the other guards/wings can turn into a roaming free safety type of help defender. Iwundu and Bey have the perfect length and athleticism but that obviously doesn´t mean that they will ever be able to fill that role.