2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[Mavs2021]

Really?  Go back and look at those final 15 games.  Who else was missing.

If you are filtering two man lineups, you don’t know who the other three players are.  To the extent Wiseman was in there also, you can’t make a judgement about who was having what impact.  What we do know is the most used five man Oubre lineup (with Wiseman) was trash and the next two most used Oubre lineups (without Wiseman) were +7 and +10.  After that, the sample sizes get pretty small (which obviously doesn’t bother me if it helps my argument).

So I ran the Warriors five man line-up with the same metric (at least 10+ minutes).

You know what the five worst line-ups have in common? Kelly Oubre. Only player to be on ALL five. Wiseman is on two of them.

The best five man unit with 40+ minutes, so a really large sample size, by far the best Kelly Oubre line-up INCLUDES Wiseman. NRtg of +27.8. The next best Oubre line-up is him playing with Seth, Draymond, Wiggins and Toscano-Anderson. So he´s basically the 4th or 5th best player in that line-up. That´s like putting Burke in a five man line-up with Luka, Porzingis, DFS and THJ and then acting like Burke is the reason it´s good.

You basically have to sell me that the Wizards, Suns and Warriors mis-judged the player that Kelly Oubre can be, but please don´t act like James Wiseman, who was in 7th grade, when Oubre´s NBA career started, is suddenly the driver of Oubre´s mediocre (advanced) career numbers.

Also what does that mean, if we by any chance acquire a top draft pick? Don´t we play him, because he allegedly makes Oubre look bad? Good players are supposed to carry and cover for rookies, not the other way around.

Sell me on the upside of 25 year old Oubre, since advanced numbers are not be all-end all to me, but don´t try to bring something up that is simply not there, to support the pro Oubre argument. He´s had plenty of veteran superstar/all-star teammates. His numbers have been mediocre on three teams and all seem to play better without him.