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2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived
(07-07-2021, 12:45 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I’m not a big fan of DDR at $20M let alone $25M. I think there are less expensive ways to get play making and shooting on the team. If we could get DDR for $15-18M (maaaaaybe $20M) I would be fine with it. He’s 32 years old and hasn’t proven to be worth the big money in the playoffs.

DeRozan was the subject of the Locked on Mav's Podcast yesterday.  I think everyone has come to the same conclusion...he's an excellent shot creator for himself and others with size.  All of those things are needed.  However, the lack of a three and the poor D are probably killers in the playoffs.  I'd put Dinwiddie in the same category.  Someone else who can't hit a three, but does play good D is Kelly Oubre Jr.  I thought he deserved a little mention here.

When I read the current rumors, I thought they were simply a regurgitation of the Jake Fisher stuff from late February.  I don't doubt that Dallas was looking for a package and expiring Oubre might have been a component.  But, I've kind of ignored the current version of that rumor as I doubt this is the summer of Kelly Oubre.  I'm not sure a THJ for Oubre swap helps you.  But, what if he was the secondary move?  What if getting him was in addition to Collins or Ball or (fill in your favorite $20+ million player)?  Would an athletic defender who is a poor three point shooter be of interest?  He's not a shot creator, but he's not a statue either.  

If you want to make a positive case for Oubre, I think you have to ignore the stint in Golden State.  That didn't work at all.  But he did some interesting things in Phoenix (man that team has changed in a year).  He was an elite shooter from 16' to the 3 point line.  DeRozan has been .429 from this area his three years in SA.  Oubre was .534 his two years in Phoenix.  They are similarly good 0-3 feet and Oubre is the better 3 point shooter (faint praise).  Oubre is terrible 3-10 and 10-16 which is where any comparison to DeRozan ends.  Oubre is actually a good player to have on your fantasy team.  The last year in Phoenix he was 93rd percentile in scoring, 88th percentile in rebounding, 92nd in steals and 82nd in blocks for his position.  Something that surprised me is he was in the 94th percentile as the PnR ball handler (small sample size alert, but interesting nonetheless).  And he can create some in ISO...not elite, some.  In a lineup with KP, Luka and two other shooters, he'd have a great opportunity to attack the basket.

Defensively, there is a level of athleticism that doesn't currently exist on the Mav's.  I suspect we are going to spend at least a little time blitzing the PnR under Kidd.  Oubre can play with force whether on the ball or helping away from the ball.  He can cover a lot of ground when KP needs help.  Like Dorian, he's probably a better help guy than on the ball.  But he has the quicks to take PG's on the switch and the size to handle most 4's in the post.  If you had DFS, Oubre, Luka and say Ball in addition to a non-KP center, you could switch everywhere.  Adding long switchable athletes like Oubre and Ball would be a way of helping if KP's defensive issues persist.

He's a Nike guy.  I'll repeat that this has to be a secondary move if it is a move at all.  Unlike deals sending JRich to Utah, I think GS would actually have some interest in one year of Richardson to be a wing defender off the bench.  You can get to $16.7mm on a deal for Oubre with JRich as the outgoing.  But, you do that deal after spending the $23mm you have left (without THJ and WCS, but with opted in JRich) on a bigger fish.  Move Burke somewhere and you are in the conversation for that main target being any of the guards we've discussed...Conley, Lowry, Powell, Ball.  If JRich opts out, this actually becomes harder as you are now splitting space between Oubre and someone else and lose the $5mm of leverage you get from including Richardson in the deal.  I don't love it, but if you told me we got any of those guards (especially the younger ones) and 26 year old Oubre, I'd be pretty happy.  I mean, I'm happy with 30+ Conley and Batum, so why wouldn't I be happy with a younger duo like Powell/Oubre or Ball/Oubre.
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2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived - by Kammrath - 11-30-2020, 11:21 AM
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