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2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived
(03-30-2021, 02:41 PM)fifteenth Wrote: The argument that development can't take place much outside of games has been made in the past. 

Am I wrong? I thought Green played a good bit at the beginning of the season, pre-team-covid. 

I'm not trying to change your opinion. Yours is as good as mine. Opinions are pretty much what I have. But, "x minutes is not enough minutes for our rookies" seems really subjective. In my imagination, the coaches have a methodology for how to develop a player, and specific thoughts about how game time fits in to that. What's your (or others here, please weigh in) methodology for deciding how many minutes a rookie "should" play. 

I'm not saying it's wrong to have an opinion based on feel. But the "rookies aren't playing enough" is thrown out enough that it would be helpful if we could hash out what we're using to come up with that claim.

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Let me push back on myself, before you have to. I don't think I have my "methodology" defined either. :-) So that's were someone could say that our opinions are kinda based on whether or not we trust the coaching staff.

I guess I'll just say, if we really wanted to sort out this question, it'd be good to have an idea of what should be done and why.
You aren’t wrong, our opinions are equally important/irrelevant and my stance certainly is subjective.

Re the methology: it’s nearly impossible for us outsiders to judge the behind the scenes-stuffas we don’t have access but we can look at the games and talk about the info around those. If you’d asked me going into the season about some ballpark numbers I would have told you: anything around 800 minutes over the course of the season is pretty darn good for a rookie on a fringe playoff team like DAL. Probably even more than that.

But our guys are so far away from that, I believe it has a negative effect on them and is holding them back. This isn’t a how are we getting there-issue, it’s a result-issue for me. I look for reasons to justify the lack of playing time but the moment I come across that Johnson-stat I gotta calk that a headscratcher. There were opportunities for minutes, they just chose to go with Johnson (or Iwundu who they dumped by now).

If Johnson wasn’t so terrible it would have been easier to make a case for him „earning“ his playing times but I never really saw it. Maybe RC saw some hidden things but then I wonder why they didn’t held onto him.

(03-30-2021, 02:40 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I can understand some angst about Green's minutes, especially when Iwundu was getting spot minutes after the covid timeline but I think in Bey's case there's a lack of trust in him reliably spacing the floor at the NBA level and I think those concerns have plenty of merit.  I also think that those Iwundu stretches recently could have just been us showcasing him for the deadline.

It's funny because I think some of these rookies would have ended up getting more minutes if we didn't go through the covid stretch.  If you assume our record would have been better if we had a legitimate roster during that month and felt a little more secure about our spot in the playoffs then we probably wouldn't be playing such a short rotation today and getting a better look at those guys.  

To me, it's always been a case by case basis with Rick and rookies so I feel like there's something he's seeing in practice that we aren't that makes him uncomfortable using those guys in game time situations and I choose to trust that decision making.
Angst is translated like fear, you‘re probably thinking of concern? that would be „Bedenken“ :-)
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