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2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived
(03-27-2021, 11:29 AM)omahen Wrote: I am not sure we understand each other. I am speaking about exactly the same thing as Boston and Charlotte did. Lets say JRich reaches agreement with Miami. He is unrestricted and can sign with them. Instead of signing him in cap space we ask them to SnT him and include themselves in our Atlanta deal. I am not convincing JRich to go somewhere he doesn't want to or even to wait without the offer, I am also not asking for salary back. I am just asking Miami for a little favour. This way JRich counts as our outgoing salary. But it goes in Miami cap space, no salary coming back. Finally, we are not getting Collins in our cap space, we are trading Powell (to New York) and JRich (to Miami) as our outgoing salary. Of course many other scenarios this can go. We are doing a SnT, we don't need cap space for that and it can be done on day one. No waiting required. There are certain agents involved I would be counting on. Schwartz for Collins and Duffy for Richardson, if I remember correctly. 

Sorry I had to bug out on our conversation for a little travel.  BTW, I applaud your efforts on this concept (and I get that the examples are just that...examples).  I’m also well aware of the agent relationships and that certainly might help.  But...

Here’s the point I’m trying to make.  We aren’t Boston in the Hayward scenario.  We are Charlotte.  Charlotte had some advantages to their situation that we don’t.  They had room and weren’t worried about retaining members of their current rotation (we run the risk of not getting the FA and losing good rotation players).  They got Hayward to agree to a deal and could have called it a day because Hayward was UFA.  The best FA’s this summer are restricted.  Charlotte didn’t need to get a player and another team to agree to help them.  We do, and BTW, don’t you suspect Miami and NY have bigger things in mind with their cap room than JRich and Powell.  Those are all important hurdles to overcome.

I do think we can operate over the cap.  But, Atlanta has to believe we are willing to create the room to give Collins a Max.  Assuming Atlanta isn’t willing to pay that much, talks can begin (assuming Collins likes Dallas more than any other team...there are other teams out there and some with cap room).  The key is Atlanta has to believe Dallas has an easy path to room.  It can’t be that Miami might do such and such because Miami doesn’t know what Miami is going to do yet.  Too many moving parts.  Since we aren’t Charlotte and Collins isn’t UFA like Hayward, it has to be solid right then.  

It could be something like Maxi to Atlanta and we pay something to OKC to take Powell.  Note that we control both players.  I just don’t see getting players (like JRich) and teams (like Miami), neither of which we control, to do what we want fast enough to convince Atlanta to send him here for little compensation when they have other options.  That is why I’ve brought up Markkanen.  I think Chicago might be much less hostile to this than Atlanta.
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2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived - by Kammrath - 11-30-2020, 11:21 AM
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