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2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived
(03-27-2021, 09:25 AM)omahen Wrote: Perfectly aware of that. First of all most of negotiating should be done before FA opens. As it happened in previous years. NBA might try to change that, but I don't believe it really is possible. So, when you know where the player wants to go, you offer the team a second rounder to do a SnT instead of just signing them in the cap space. Same stuff Boston did with Hayward. And Charlotte and Hayward had no problem waiting a couple of days for Boston to explore options. They are in full control. You can sign the other to a contract on day 1. You are operating over the cap, so you don't need the cap space.

I'm not sure the Hayward deal is a great example of what you are talking about in some of your more complex examples (and don't take this as me arguing with you, I'm a fan of the direction you are headed).  Charlotte had the agreement with Hayward.  He was unrestricted and they didn't need Boston to do anything.  Charlotte had space.  So, there are a lot of elements that are different than the situation with RFA Collins and getting THJ (and probably a third team) to wait for you.  

The idea isn't without precedent.  Brooklyn got UFA Durant for RFA Russell.  But, again, Brooklyn was in control as they had the space to do Durant without help (though they had to make Russell UFA to do it and instead got a pick from GS to make it a double S&T).  Milwaukee almost poached RFA Bogdanovic, but they controlled the outgoing assets, which we don't in the cases of THJ and JRich (of course we know that didn't turn out so well).  

A couple of thoughts about things that might also be fantasy, but to me seem more realistic than Collins.

1. Maybe Redick is here to be used in a S&T to Brooklyn for a S&T of Dinwiddie.  I know, now I'm proposing Double S&T's.  But Redick wants to be there and it doesn't appear Dinwiddie is in Brooklyn's plans.  If you can play next to D'Angelo Russell, you can play next to Luka.  I'm actually envisioning Dinwiddie more as the Brunson replacement because:

2.  I wonder if Markkanen is more realistic than Collins.  Atlanta might not be a willing participant in our game and probably doesn't need JRich or THJ.  But, I think the Vucevic trade marginalizes the value of Markkanen.  Patrick Williams is probably the future of the position and Chicago could actually use what THJ does.  They could also use some PG help, but they traded their pick (top 4 protected) and there is probably an Omahen-lite in Chicago making the same "over-the-cap" argument for the Bulls as you are making for Dallas.  THJ at $15mm plus Brunson for Markkanen at about $20mm?  You'd have to give up THJ to have space for Markkanen anyway.  The casualty to control the situation is Brunson, who may flee in a year and cause LT/Hard Cap issues in 22 if he stays.

Guards:  Luka/JRich/Dinwiddie  (Burke and Terry)

Wings:  DFS/MLE/Green (What are we calling Bey?)

Bigs:  KP/Markkanen/Maxi (Powell and WCS or BAE)
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