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DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know."
(11-03-2020, 08:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:
(11-03-2020, 06:19 AM)Mapka Wrote: First thing. I really enjoy your trade proposals. They are on on the edge of being reasonable. They give me perspective. They give me something to think about. That´s fun.

But you are playing the advocatus diaboli for us. You are chosing a trade target and then use the POV of the other team to find a price they like.

Normally that is just the point we say: ok, that is to much. 

So, only homer-based trades need apply?  

That´s the exact opposite of what I said? Except hat I know, I´m a homer.

(11-03-2020, 08:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I feel similarly to Omahen.  As a generalization, the board tends to focus on the warts of incoming players and completely ignores those kinds of issues with the players being sent out. 

Might be true. It´s hard to know how off I am on my own valuation.
But maybe that´s because we know which warts our players have and how good we can handle them and warts of players on other teams include added risk.

(11-03-2020, 08:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: "We" think one more season with Luka will fix this or that, but rarely credit the benefit of playing with Luka that will accrue to the incoming player.

Can´t remember anything like this with our own players, only with proposed trade targets.

(11-03-2020, 08:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: It might help to have a discernible standard to work from.  The recent Top 125 series by The Athletic doesn't take salary or fit into account, but it is at least a standard to work from.  They rated Curry, Maxi and THJ in the 116-125 range.  The board seems to have coalesced recently around Gallinari, Hayward, Harris, Dipo and OPJ as trade targets.  Gallo is the 41st rated player.  Hayward is 49, Harris is 60, Dipo is 61 and an injured OPJ is 76.  So, what should it cost to get the 41st best player in the league?  Does 125 + 121 do it?  Do you have to add a pick?  We need a value chart (like pick 18 + pick 31 equals Pick 14).

we´d need a team chemistry scale too.   

(11-03-2020, 08:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I realize the real world doesn't work like this.  Salary and fit and age matter.  But Maxi is a nice 5th/6th man who is a little above average and a little above Replacement Value.  If you have a shot at a 3rd starter (even an overpaid one), you give up a 5th/6th guy all the time.  You can find another Maxi.  Finding a Gallo or Hayward or Harris is much harder to do.

Feels telling you can name "3rd starters" but no "other Maxi". I would find N. Bjelica. He would cost ~ Wright + FRP. That´s what we should get Gallo for (+JJax). So why shuffling chairs we like?

(11-03-2020, 08:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: Edit:  I spent some time reading up on Hayward rumors.  Man, there are a bunch of teams out there seemingly interested in him.  He'd have to really want to come here and Boston (Stevens) would have to be willing to "do right" by Hayward to get him here.  One technique we (the board) seem to routinely forget is the possibility of an Extend-and-Trade.  But, even with that there will be a ton of teams willing to play along.

That´s the kind of situation we all are hoping for.

(11-03-2020, 08:22 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: But, that value can't have a negative value contract.

We don´t know what value a player has to anyone else.
Our trash might be someone elses treasure. We just have to find this idiot.

p.s. just found the view source button, please don´t mind me for overquoting and answering.
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