Playoff Rotation

[Smitty]

So, I sorted through some lineup data and wanted to come up with a possible playoff rotation. 

There are 6 non-Luka minutes where they can play small ball.
There are 8 non-Kyrie minutes where Exum is on the floor with either Gafford or Lively. I added available lineup data for both.


First half:

Kai______8____Exum___4___        Kai____________12_____________
Green____8____THJ____4___        Green_4___Exum__4__Green_4___
Luka__________12 _________        THJ___4___Luka________8_______
PJW______8____DJJ____4___        PJW___4___DJJ___4__PJW___4___
Live__4_Maxi__4_Gaff___4___        Maxi__4___Live___4__Maxi___4___


Second half:

Kai______8____Exum___4___        Kai____________12______________
Green____8____THJ____4___        Green_4___Exum__4__Green__4___
Luka__________12_ ________        THJ_2__Luka_________10_________
PJW______8____DJJ____4___        PJW___4___DJJ___4___PJW___4___
Live__4_Maxi__4_Gaff___4___        Maxi_2_Live_____6____Maxi___4___


Total minutes:

Kai 40 | Exum 8
Green 32 | THJ 8 | Exum 8
Luka 42 | THJ 6
PJW 32 | DJJ 16
Lively 18 | Maxi 22 | Gafford 8


Luka 42
Kai 40
Green 32
PJW 32
Lively 18 or 26
Maxi 22
Exum 16
DJJ 16
THJ 14
Gafford 8 or 0


1Q:
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Lively - 4min - 51.0 NetRTG in 27min
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min
Exum, THJ, Luka, DJJ, Gafford - 4min - 17.6 NetRTG in 21min (4-man LU NetRTG since Exum hasn't played with Gafford | 5-man LU with Lively is 21.3 NetRTG in 39min) - (non-Kai lineup)

2Q:
Kai, Green, THJ, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 87.5 NetRTG in 8min (non-Luka lineup)
Kai, Exum, Luka, DJJ, Lively - 4min - 61.0 NetRTG in 26min
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min

3Q:
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Lively - 4min - 51.0 NetRTG in 27min
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min
Exum, THJ, Luka, DJJ, Gafford - 4min - 17.6 NetRTG in 21min (4-man LU NetRTG since Exum hasn't played with Gafford | 5-man LU with Lively is 21.3 NetRTG in 39min) - (non-Kai lineup)

4Q:
Kai, Green, THJ, PJW, Maxi - 2min - 87.5 NetRTG in 8min (non-Luka lineup)
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Lively - 2min - 51.0 NetRTG in 27min
Kai, Exum, Luka, DJJ, Lively - 4min - 61.0 NetRTG in 26min
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min

[KillerLeft]

I want to see the team at full strength, including Exum, for a good 10 games before deciding what I think on this topic, but I have a feeling Hardaway is going to play a lot more than people want or think.

[Smitty]

I want to see the team at full strength, including Exum, for a good 10 games before deciding what I think on this topic, but I have a feeling Hardaway is going to play a lot more than people want or think.

I know you’re probably right about THJ. It’s just maddening!

Luka with Tim: -7
Luka without Tim: +133
Lively with Tim: +23
Lively without Tim: +120
Green with Tim: -107
Green without Tim: +75
DJJ with Tim: -52
DJJ without Tim: +13
Kleber with Tim: -36 
Kleber without Tim: +40
PJ with Tim: +11
PJ without Tim: +34

[meistermatze]

"Keep shooting, Timmy!" & "Ice, ice, ice"

That's the quality of our coaching and you will see it in the resulting rotations. The other night was the final nail in my personal coffin on Kidd as a coach. His rotations were just ABSURD.

I pray he is just experimenting, but at this point, we should be winning games for the standings and it should be obvious to anyone, that Lively has to play bigger minutes, Maxi/PJ-pairing looks great and Timmy should not see the court in meaningful (closing) minutes. Luka and Ky are offense enough, Surround them with any combination of Green, DJJ, PJ, Maxi, Lively, Exum and MAYBE Gafford (against a bruising big) and you'll be fine. I have no clue, what Timmy offers to add in those kind of situations.

[Jason Terry]

Luka 40 Exum 8
Kyrie 40 Exum 8
Green 36 DJJ 8 Exum 4
PJ 36 Maxi 4 DJJ 8
Lively 30 Maxi 18

Starters:
Luka
Kyrie
Green
PJ
Lively

Bench:
Maxi
DJJ
Exum

With Gafford and Hardaway having anywhere from 5-10 min games to 25-30 depending on matchups. I could see games where either gets inserted into the main rotation for even a whole series

I.e. Gafford would perhaps play big minutes against a team with size like Minnesota. Hardaway against a team packing the paint or if the offense needs a jolt with some shooting. But if teams like the Clippers are running us off the 3pt line Hardaway should sit.

This all depends on health and how Exum looks when he returns

[ThisIStheYear]

Playoffs? Lol. 50-50 right now. But given the coaching track record, most likely result is a play in miss.

[The Jom]

What a difference 6 weeks makes!

From today’s perspective, sure looks like Gafford will play a major role no matter the opponent, and THJ won’t. Plus Kidd’s incorporation of the new fellas looks like coach-of-the-year-type material. Talk about a mid-season makeover!

[fifteenth]

These February and March posts are tough to read!! So glad the Mavs emerged from their trials with great talent additions, a workable plan and players that believe in each other!

How about this a playoff rotation:

Starters: Luka, Ky, DJJ, PJW, Gaf
Bench: Exum, Lively, Maxi, THJ

Maybe Josh instead of THJ, depending on how he plays when he's healthy

What say you?

[The Jom]

What says me:

Yes to the above except . . . halfway through first series Exum replaces DJJ in the starting lineup and Josh bounces back to take essentially all of THJ’s minutes.

[DallasMaverick]

So, I sorted through some lineup data and wanted to come up with a possible playoff rotation. 

There are 6 non-Luka minutes where they can play small ball.
There are 8 non-Kyrie minutes where Exum is on the floor with either Gafford or Lively. I added available lineup data for both.


First half:

Kai______8____Exum___4___        Kai____________12_____________
Green____8____THJ____4___        Green_4___Exum__4__Green_4___
Luka__________12 _________        THJ___4___Luka________8_______
PJW______8____DJJ____4___        PJW___4___DJJ___4__PJW___4___
Live__4_Maxi__4_Gaff___4___        Maxi__4___Live___4__Maxi___4___


Second half:

Kai______8____Exum___4___        Kai____________12______________
Green____8____THJ____4___        Green_4___Exum__4__Green__4___
Luka__________12_ ________        THJ_2__Luka_________10_________
PJW______8____DJJ____4___        PJW___4___DJJ___4___PJW___4___
Live__4_Maxi__4_Gaff___4___        Maxi_2_Live_____6____Maxi___4___


Total minutes:

Kai 40 | Exum 8
Green 32 | THJ 8 | Exum 8
Luka 42 | THJ 6
PJW 32 | DJJ 16
Lively 18 | Maxi 22 | Gafford 8


Luka 42
Kai 40
Green 32
PJW 32
Lively 18 or 26
Maxi 22
Exum 16
DJJ 16
THJ 14
Gafford 8 or 0


1Q:
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Lively - 4min - 51.0 NetRTG in 27min
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min
Exum, THJ, Luka, DJJ, Gafford - 4min - 17.6 NetRTG in 21min (4-man LU NetRTG since Exum hasn't played with Gafford | 5-man LU with Lively is 21.3 NetRTG in 39min) - (non-Kai lineup)

2Q:
Kai, Green, THJ, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 87.5 NetRTG in 8min (non-Luka lineup)
Kai, Exum, Luka, DJJ, Lively - 4min - 61.0 NetRTG in 26min
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min

3Q:
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Lively - 4min - 51.0 NetRTG in 27min
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min
Exum, THJ, Luka, DJJ, Gafford - 4min - 17.6 NetRTG in 21min (4-man LU NetRTG since Exum hasn't played with Gafford | 5-man LU with Lively is 21.3 NetRTG in 39min) - (non-Kai lineup)

4Q:
Kai, Green, THJ, PJW, Maxi - 2min - 87.5 NetRTG in 8min (non-Luka lineup)
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Lively - 2min - 51.0 NetRTG in 27min
Kai, Exum, Luka, DJJ, Lively - 4min - 61.0 NetRTG in 26min
Kai, Green, Luka, PJW, Maxi - 4min - 14.3 NetRTG in 17min

Doesn’t it kinda depend on matchups? And what the other team is doing?

[Smitty]

Doesn’t it kinda depend on matchups? And what the other team is doing?

Of course it does. This was an exercise weeks ago trying to show lineup data a build an 8-9 man rotation. I personally found it interesting trying to see it through the lens of the coaching staff. 

A lot has changed since this thread. Gafford for example was 8 min to 0 min. Green 30+ minutes. I don't see that being the case anymore...

[Smitty]

Some lineups to note.


Starting 5: Luka - Kia - DJJ - PJW - Gafford

162 min  ORTG 115.7   DRTG 98.3   NETRTG 17.4


Non-Kai: Luka - Exum - THJ - Maxi - Lively

30 min  ORTG 128.6   DRTG 94.1   NETRTG 34.5


Non-Luka: Kai - THJ - DJJ - PJW - Gafford

22 min  ORTG 115.2   DRTG 91.7   NETRTG 23.6


Small ball: Luka - Kai - Exum - PJW - Maxi

36 min  ORTG 135.4   DRTG 93.5   NETRTG 41.9

[The Jom]

Only the starting lineup has enough minutes to take real seriously. But still, those are eye-opening numbers. I especially like how your small-ball numbers seem to support the post I just stuck in a new thread about that group, but with DJJ in Exum’s spot. Maybe I was off by one player?

[mvossman]

Some lineups to note.


Starting 5: Luka - Kia - DJJ - PJW - Gafford

162 min  ORTG 115.7   DRTG 98.3   NETRTG 17.4


Non-Kai: Luka - Exum - THJ - Maxi - Lively

30 min  ORTG 128.6   DRTG 94.1   NETRTG 34.5


Non-Luka: Kai - THJ - DJJ - PJW - Gafford

22 min  ORTG 115.2   DRTG 91.7   NETRTG 23.6


Small ball: Luka - Kai - Exum - PJW - Maxi

36 min  ORTG 135.4   DRTG 93.5   NETRTG 41.9

I like the exercise although most of the lineups are obviously very small sample.  I expect we will see more Lively and Green that what you are showing depending on health.

[Smitty]

Only the starting lineup has enough minutes to take real seriously. But still, those are eye-opening numbers. I especially like how your small-ball numbers seem to support the post I just stuck in a new thread about that group, but with DJJ in Exum’s spot. Maybe I was off by one player?

They have been closing with Exum of late and he's more guard/small ball to me whereas DJJ is a 4/3 type player but here is the lineup data with the different "3's"

Luka - Kai -     - PJW - Maxi

Exum - 36 min - ORTG 135.4  DRTG 93.5  NETRTG 41.9

DJJ - 18 min -  ORTG 110.8  DRTG 57.9  NETRTG 52.9

THJ - 42 min -  ORTG 107.4  DRTG 85.7  NETRTG 21.7

Green - 32 min -  ORTG 120.3  DRTG 126.9  NETRTG -6.6


You can also play small with DJJ at the 4:

Luka - Kai - Green - DJJ - Maxi  (48min)  ORTG 135.0  DRTG 106.3  NETRTG 28.8

[The Jom]

DRTG 57.9!!! Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smitty]

DRTG 57.9!!! Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, this stuff is all extremely small sample size but it's all we have thanks to injuries and trades.

[DallasMaverick]

Yeah, this stuff is all extremely small sample size but it's all we have thanks to injuries and trades.

Basically meaningless.

[Smitty]

Basically meaningless.

You always provide so much insight. Much appreciated.

[DallasMaverick]

You always provide so much insight. Much appreciated.

No prob.

Just didn’t want anyone getting too excited about any of those numbers.