Who has the most to gain/lose during the rest of the season?

[Mavs2021]

Josh Green is not undersized. He’s a 6’5 - 200lb SG.

When people stop thinking of Luka as a PG, when thinking of roster construction, the better off they’ll be. 

PG - Kyrie 6’2
SG - Green 6’5
SF - Luka 6’7
PF - PJW 6’7
C - Lively 7’1

Josh Green is the same size as Exum, DJJ and THJ.

Also, there is not one possible scenario with how the season could end where I would be okay with trading him for Wiggins.

It´s pretty amazing that they just needed somebody with some common sense (Lindsey) to fix all these glaring holes that existed for a decade. There is a reason Luka been winning EuroLeagues and European Championships in his diapers. Just get him some proper help and he´s the most unstoppable basketball force in the world.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

I've come to accept who Green is, and it's not a bad thing, in fact from what I'm seeing, Green fits really well with the Mavs 2 stars. He doesn't need shots to be effective, although his D needs work -- he is not a negative and proven to be disruptive at times, his hustle and motor is always there whether he is scoring or not, he runs the floor hard, has the speed and jumping ability to be a significant force in transition, he now shoots with confidence, and could be relied upon for the extra pass.

My only gripe with him is he still defers a bit, not like before but he still does this, he needs to take the open 3 rather than to an open THJ or Hardy.

Green's play with the Mavs is not the optimal Green, he is capable of more than what he shows, but the Mavs as currently constructed would have some players get lesser opportunities to deviate from what they do. Some of these players would have less PT than they used to. Some would get less shot attempts. Green IMHO is a willing volunteer for less, he will not pout or think for a second why a guy like PJ would have more FG attempts than him (THJ on the other hand, feels like a guy who'd be threatened if Hardy, PJ or Green are having good scoring games).

[Smitty]

I just think Green is a perfect fit next to Luka. The board keeps trying to upgrade his spot but I don’t see it that way at all. He does all the little things: great passer, POA defender, excellent 3PT shooter, hustle & glue guy.

He knows his role, his ego never gets in the way, significantly improved every year and just turned 23!!!

Let this kid keep growing! He already knows how to fit with Luka. Again, he has significantly improved every year and is already worth every penny of that extension.

Once being inserted in the starting LU, after returning from injury..

21G: 11.6 PPG, 4.0 REB, 2.7 AST (46.3 3P% / 4.0 3PA)

[ThisIStheYear]

The true nature of Jason Kidd is being revealed. We know he’s worth 15 losses. We saw it in Milwaukee. We saw it last year. We saw it tonight.

[youzigizag]

Posters complaining about Josh Green again in the Boston game thread:

- overrated defense
- no shows against good defenses

I dont think you can evaluate the Mavs until its Playoffs...too many coaching questions marks with lineups...

Couple of questions though...

1) Is Josh Green's defense questionable?

He seems to move laterally very well and have decent anticipation...but I dont know how good or average his defense really is from a coach perspective. It seems like he has the tools to play smothering defense...and when he does, gets a lot of fouls called on him when a ball carrier drives. Is he capable of stout defense without fouls?

2) Are Josh Green's hustle plays enough?

Green seems to be elite at going after loose balls, running down a ball carrier and popping ball loose from behind in transition, trying at rebounds. These hustle plays is where Josh shines and makes his impact. Is it enough?

3) Is the lack of offensive skill other than passing and 3 ball detrimental to Playoff basketball?

The kid has some flaws. Bad dribbling, can only dribble with his right, lack of creating separation, cant finish at the rim one on one very good due to lack of plan and creativity when driving, timid shooting anything not wide open.

4) What is your timeframe on Green to turn into a solid two-way and not a specialist?

I want to overlook age, Luka timeline and focus on overall skill and if Josh is capable of turning into a solid two-way in regards to his flaws.


5) Is Josh's contract negative, neutral or value?

I have read mixed signals on this around here. Based on the current player...is this a good or bad contract compared to what you can get at the price vet wise? I get Josh is young and that plays into things compared to a player that might be better but is 30.

Im kinda getting tired of the up and down with THJ and Green posts around here. Everyone knows I am ready to move on from THJ due to inconsistency. Green is my favorite roll player to watch...but it seems like there is something lacking. I dont know if its the system or if its him or a combo. This isnt an overreaction to the Boston game either. Boston looks hard to beat...but again...there was weird coaching decisions that make it hard to evaluate the team against top level teams....so we have to wait until playoffs. But...I am tired of wasting Luka years and THJ and Green and maybe even OMax seem like decent trading chips if you find a player you like at 3/4 that is an upgrade that does things on both ends of the floor consistently. Is it even worth talking about with Green or not?

Looks like Mavs are going to be right on the PJ Washington deal. Just a solid two-way player. Nothing awesome...but a basketball player that does things on both ends of the court satisfactorily. Im thinking I want another player like that instead of two guys with flaws that are specialists. THJ and Green are the two guys this board is a roller coaster on.

[Chicagojk]

Probably no right answer and a lot of choices.  Kidd, Nico, Luka, Kyrie, PJ, others all have case to make.

My choice is Josh Green though.  Josh has a golden opportunity to take the starting SF position and not look back.   This offseason it appears Dallas will look for another wing.  If feels like one way or another they are going to add a player there.   The level Green plays too may determine if that is a starter or a rotation guy.   If he doesn't grab it, they are probably looking for a starting level player.  Worse yet, Green could be used as a trade piece.   If he grabs it, he could put him in solid footing for a while here.

Last year it felt like Josh was making a jump.  He got hurt for a bit and then found himself in lower minutes.   It sort of zapped all the momentum he was building.  It is tough to make conclusions because the season was such a disaster.  Will this year be different?

 Rough stretch for Josh.   Like most everyone else.

He is really confusing for me.  He plays really hard and has the athleticism, length and demeaner to be a really good role player.   In fact, he plays so hard I am wondering if he can every handle more than 25 minutes a night.  But the playing hard vs impact is lacking.   He is so active on D, but players can get to their spots on him with little resistance.   While active on D, one pick can make him almost useless on D.   

He may be the best athlete on the team.  But is really methodical trying to create off the dribble and the results in traffic very rarely match his athleticism.

If he doesn't improve this will be the second year in a row where it looked like he made a jump near midseason only to go into a major funk afterwards.   

I just can't get a good handle on him.   He should be a very valuable role player here.

[ThisIStheYear]

Kidd is losing a lot. But Luka has much to lose as well. Superstars just aren’t supposed to lose as many games as he does, and it’s taking a toll on his reputation. Hell, looking at some of the matchup TS% and seeing his man with 70-80% TS% nightly is making even me question if Luka can win. Not even 40 point triple doubles can overcome 70% TS% against. That’s callled getting cooked. The coach and the team’s best player are responsible for setting a winning culture.