Trade & FA 2023-24: Booker Likes NYK? Vogel Out? Suns Imploding?

[Mavs2021]

There is literally no trade that will fix a lack of mental fortitude. Comes from top down. Luka and Kidd. Kidd has to go. Luka has to grow up. We've said the same shit year after for him. Year 3 its understandable. Its year 6 and Luka still acts like a pussy ass whiny bitch
If I was Kidd, Luka doesn't get the start next game. As soon as he turns to a ref he gets benched for 2 minutes. Sack the game I don't give a shit. Its time to put the foot down and hammer this habit out of Luka.

Luka: If you don´t like it, trade me. This roster is shit.You morons broke up my WCF team.

..and the end. Accountability only works, when you get the job done. Only one side is excellent at their job. It´s hard to question their work, whe you are mediocre/poor at yours.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

SH goes nuclear while I got my post deleted. LOL.

[SleepingHero]

SH goes nuclear while I got my post deleted. LOL.

Full transparency, no one deleted any post of yours!

I can post the mod logs if you want. 


(And yes I went a little nuclear. What Jason Kidd does to a mfer)

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

Full transparency, no one deleted any post of yours!

I can post the mod logs if you want. 


(And yes I went a little nuclear. What Jason Kidd does to a mfer)

Alright, I must be getting old LOL.
I really thought I posted something like "trade his ass -- on Luka" but somehow got lost along the way.

And yes - I very much agree with you on Kidd.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

For most of you who wouldn't trade a first for a combined Deni and Gafford:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ugnoRm9HN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jIsPtKago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NooqcpXLB74

You're not trading for Deni for who he is -- it's who he would become.
I'm betting on him to be better than Jerami Grant, Tobias, or Kuzma at some point.

Now I don't know if he is available (he shouldn't be), but if he is ---- you put him on the Mavs he'd automatically be top 3 in the totem pole.

[omahen]

For most of you who wouldn't trade a first for a combined Deni and Gafford:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ugnoRm9HN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jIsPtKago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NooqcpXLB74

You're not trading for Deni for who he is -- it's who he would become.
I'm betting on him to be better than Jerami Grant, Tobias, or Kuzma at some point.

Now I don't know if he is available (he shouldn't be), but if he is ---- you put him on the Mavs he'd automatically be top 3 in the totem pole.

Vast majority of people (both fans on this board as well as media) were certain Grant Williams will be great on this team

Personally, I would like Mavs acting like a contender. Always aiming for the best. Look at Lakers, Miami and so on. Vastly inferior assets yet always in play for serious players.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

Vast majority of people (both fans on this board as well as media) were certain Grant Williams will be great on this team

Personally, I would like Mavs acting like a contender. Always aiming for the best. Look at Lakers, Miami and so on. Vastly inferior assets yet always in play for serious players.

PJ was my guy in FA back then.
GW to me was just a limited defensive specialist with no O, a 3 and D player who could dribble some, but not a whole lot more.
PJ was the better get for what the Mavs need.
Didn't expect big things for both of them though, but GW turned out worse than I expected.

Deni (at least to me) looks less than a gamble. More likely for his play to go up rather than stay the same.
He's gonna' make a jump and in two years, we'd be talking how we the Mavs could add one more FRP since one wouldn't be enough.

[Chicagojk]

Vast majority of people (both fans on this board as well as media) were certain Grant Williams will be great on this team

Personally, I would like Mavs acting like a contender. Always aiming for the best. Look at Lakers, Miami and so on. Vastly inferior assets yet always in play for serious players.

I was leading the charge for Williams this offseason.  I thought he would be perfect here.   I have not been a fan of the Grant Williams experience so far.   Hot/cold streaks come and go.  It is all the other stuff that has greatly disappointed me.

[RGP1981]

I was leading the charge for Williams this offseason.  I thought he would be perfect here.   I have not been a fan of the Grant Williams experience so far.   Hot/cold streaks come and go.  It is all the other stuff that has greatly disappointed me.

I wasn't thinking this at all. Said it then too, G-Will is a backup. He's too bulky and not lengthy enough to get stops on big wings, except when he's bodying them up. I even remember asking, "yeah, he plays defense, but how many actual stops is he getting on wings or even guards?". He's too small as the power forward next to Luka. Therefore, how can he be perfect as a starter? He's good and useful in certain situations though.

[RGP1981]

For most of you who wouldn't trade a first for a combined Deni and Gafford:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ugnoRm9HN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jIsPtKago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NooqcpXLB74

You're not trading for Deni for who he is -- it's who he would become.
I'm betting on him to be better than Jerami Grant, Tobias, or Kuzma at some point.

Now I don't know if he is available (he shouldn't be), but if he is ---- you put him on the Mavs he'd automatically be top 3 in the totem pole.

I'd be down with Deni + Gafford. 

The team still needs a movement shooter though, who can defend. THJ is not it, he should come off the bench. Grimes is someone that I think can fill that role, while not costing an arm and a leg.

Then it finally starts looking like a more serious contending team.

Kyrie/Exum, Grimes/THJ, Luka/DJJ, Deni/Kleber, Lively/Gafford

[SleepingHero]

@TheDunkCentral
The Pistons and Bulls have discussed a trade centered around Zach LaVine, per
@JLEdwardsIII


The Bulls would like a return of Bojan Bogdanović and one of Cade Cunningham/Ausar Thompson/Jaden Ivey/Jalen Duren

[Scott41theMavs]

@TheDunkCentral
The Pistons and Bulls have discussed a trade centered around Zach LaVine, per
@JLEdwardsIII


The Bulls would like a return of Bojan Bogdanović and one of Cade Cunningham/Ausar Thompson/Jaden Ivey/Jalen Duren

Perfect fate for who is perhaps the ultimate empty stats guy.

[hakeemfaan]

Vast majority of people (both fans on this board as well as media) were certain Grant Williams will be great on this team

Personally, I would like Mavs acting like a contender. Always aiming for the best. Look at Lakers, Miami and so on. Vastly inferior assets yet always in play for serious players.

To me the Lakers,  Clips or Miami are not fair comparisons to the Mavs  because players also push their agents to go there. 

At the same time, as many have said, the Mavs FO can always be criticized for believing like they operate out of LA or Miami or believe they are some special franchise instead of digging deep, valuing picks, scouting better, looking for bargains,…etc. 

Since this above approach has stayed constant even after FO has changed regimes, we all know who is behind this lazy, delusional approach to team building.  Sadly that person managed to regain basketball control ( at least for now) even after selling the team.  As long as he is there, nothing will change.

[DanSchwartzgan]

For most of you who wouldn't trade a first for a combined Deni and Gafford:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ugnoRm9HN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jIsPtKago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NooqcpXLB74

You're not trading for Deni for who he is -- it's who he would become.
I'm betting on him to be better than Jerami Grant, Tobias, or Kuzma at some point.

Now I don't know if he is available (he shouldn't be), but if he is ---- you put him on the Mavs he'd automatically be top 3 in the totem pole.

I’m a fan.  I also like certain things about trading with Washington.  I’ve mentioned their TPE that covers either Holmes or GWill.  I’ll also point out that Shamet has a pretty sweet contract.  NG next season (decision by 6/29).  Then a TO the season after that.  A good GM could to a lot with that kind of contract and a TPE.

I’d highly consider paying up for Deni if we can move salary into that TPE and get Shamet’s contract as part of the deal.

[omahen]

To me the Lakers,  Clips or Miami are not fair comparisons to the Mavs  because players also push their agents to go there. 

At the same time, as many have said, the Mavs FO can always be criticized for believing like they operate out of LA or Miami or believe they are some special franchise instead of digging deep, valuing picks, scouting better, looking for bargains,…etc. 

Since this above approach has stayed constant even after FO has changed regimes, we all know who is behind this lazy, delusional approach to team building.  Sadly that person managed to regain basketball control ( at least for now) even after selling the team.  As long as he is there, nothing will change.

I agree teams like Miami and Lakers have advantage. But, these can't be excuses to think small. I think Milwaukee is a perfect example it can be done.

[omahen]

More thoughts about Milwaukee. They were facing a situation when Giannis deal was starting to expire and half of league (Mavs included) was preparing for a situation if Giannis doesn't resign. They had their Luka in Giannis, they had their Irving in Middleton and their Lively in Lopez. They didn't go "lets trade for "an Avdija" and hope he will work". They went after perhaps best two way player at the time in JRue. They repeated the task last summer with trade for Lillard.

There are of course differences between Milwaukee and Mavs. They were one of the best teams in the league even before JRue trade with prime Bledsoe and Brogdon (Brogdon was SnT a season before Milwaukee went after JRue). I think they didn't make their versions of KP and Brunson mistakes, although drafting Jabari Parker was a costly mistake. They did lose Brogdon in FA but at least he didn't walk for nothing. They did have a 4th starter level player in Bledsoe.

Mavs have one more season to come to a situation where Milwaukee was before the JRue trade. Irving clock is really not working for them to be very patient.

[MarkAguirreWrathofGod]

Perfect fate for who is perhaps the ultimate empty stats guy.

Bulls GM: “we’ll take Cade! No? Ok, no problem Duren! No to him too huh? Ok Ausar! No Ausar? Ok I guess Ivey it is.”

[hakeemfaan]

More thoughts about Milwaukee. They were facing a situation when Giannis deal was starting to expire and half of league (Mavs included) was preparing for a situation if Giannis doesn't resign. They had their Luka in Giannis, they had their Irving in Middleton and their Lively in Lopez. They didn't go "lets trade for "an Avdija" and hope he will work". They went after perhaps best two way player at the time in JRue. They repeated the task last summer with trade for Lillard.

There are of course differences between Milwaukee and Mavs. They were one of the best teams in the league even before JRue trade with prime Bledsoe and Brogdon (Brogdon was SnT a season before Milwaukee went after JRue). I think they didn't make their versions of KP and Brunson mistakes, although drafting Jabari Parker was a costly mistake. They did lose Brogdon in FA but at least he didn't walk for nothing. They did have a 4th starter level player in Bledsoe.

Mavs have one more season to come to a situation where Milwaukee was before the JRue trade. Irving clock is really not working for them to be very patient.

 You menrtioned Lakers and Miami always dream big. I am saying that they always have the advantage. If you are going to talk about Dame then we have added Kyrie and KP as well.  Things didn’t work out is another thing. The Mavs can be blamed for poor talent evaluation and asset management.  When it comes to thinking big there are literally only 2 or 3 destinations that have an inbuilt advantage.  The rest of the league has to grind and hope they get lucky.

[Jason Terry]

One way i could see us giving a trade package a boost is including DJJ. There’s some cap challenged teams out there that would desire him.

The way i look at it is if we won’t be able to re-sign him post-hypothetical trade this offseason, then it’s not that big of a deal. A trade made now would be more about setting us up for next season anyway.

[Jason Terry]

Mavs get DFS

Kings get DJJ and Oneale

Nets get Davion Mitchell and Hardy plus two mavs 2nds. Also Holmes and Duarte for matching