Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms

[omahen]

(@the_NBAgell)
If Lakers are making a play for Dejounte, it wouldn’t shock me if 1) Brooklyn was the third team to take D Lo and 2) Hawks find a way to convince LAL to take Clint Capela and shed further money off their books. Itll be interesting to see how it plays out

(@YossiGozlan)
I can see the first thing happening. The Brooklyn Nets are prioritizing 2025 cap space. If they can’t get upcoming free agents like Spencer Dinwiddie to agree to one year extensions, it would make sense to trade for players like D’Angelo Russell under contract for next season.

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(@ChrisBHaynes)
Milwaukee Bucks are among multiple teams who are registering interest in trading for Atlanta Hawks star Dejounte Murray, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport.

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Evan Sidery (@esidery)
The Bucks would have to include Bobby Portis and Pat Connaughton to even make a legal trade for Dejounte Murray.

Milwaukee only has two tradable future draft picks: 2024 2nd (via Trail Blazers) + 2027 2nd.

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(@esidery)
The Wizards are expected to eagerly act as a trade facilitator over the next few weeks, per @MikeAScotto (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-trade-de...-pelicans/).

Washington is willing to take on unwanted salaries in multi-team deals for future draft picks and young players.

I can't believe a very good player like Murray, locked long-term on a very good deal, would go for such a small return.

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Stein is saying (on his chat):

A team has yet to emerge that is willing to meet Atlanta's demands in a Murray swap. The Hawks are said to be seeking two future firsts and team-friendly contracts in return. But there are still nearly three weeks to go for someone to make that sort of offer.

[ItsGoTime]

I might be off but that would feel like an overpay in my opinion. Clax is damn good but he's an expiring and gonna ask for a lot of money next July.
Imho Brooklyn needs to involve Mikal to have Mavs interest..something like THJ + Lively + OMax + picks for Bridges + Claxton.

I think that is pretty far off, (if by picks you’re talking about what we have available right now) but we all have opinions and are free to share them.

[DanSchwartzgan]

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Stein is saying (on his chat):

Other things Stein said:

He has not, to this point, heard of any contact between Dallas and Brooklyn regarding DFS

He has not, to this point,heard of any interest from Dallas regarding Quentin Grimes.

As he’s reported before, he thinks Dallas is focused on an upgrade in the front court.

[DanSchwartzgan]

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(@esidery)
The Wizards are expected to eagerly act as a trade facilitator over the next few weeks, per @MikeAScotto (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-trade-de...-pelicans/).

Washington is willing to take on unwanted salaries in multi-team deals for future draft picks and young players.

Recall that they have a TPE that can absorb either Holmes of GWill.  The value for a 2nd apron team to be able to trade a higher dollar player and take back a fraction of the trade match would be substantial.  Similar deal for a team trying to get under the tax.

Washington is about $17mm under the tax, so they have room to do some of this.  There is also a $9mm TPE.

[ACMFFL]

I think that is pretty far off, (if by picks you’re talking about what we have available right now) but we all have opinions and are free to share them.

BRK: Lively + THJ + OMax + 3 unpr FRPs (26, 28, 30) + 1 SRP (25 TOR)

DAL: Mikal + Claxton + 1 FRP (worst of 29 DAL/SAS)

SAS: 1 favorable FRP swap (29 DAL/SAS) + 1 SRP (28 MIA)


Mikal = Lively + 2 FRP + THJ 
Claxton = OMax + 1 FRP + 1 SRP


I may be short of 1 FRP on Mikal value, if we need to add more OKC could get involved, Presti would love something like this:

DAL: 1 FRP (1-10 pr 24 HOU; if not conveyed 1-10 UTA; if not conveyed yet unpr 24 LAC + 1 SRP)

OKC: 3 FRP swap (25, 27 + rights to swap their own 29 FRP with the worst of DAL/SAS)

I guess where we disagree is Claxton. Imho that's fair value factoring his contract status.

[ItsGoTime]

BRK: Lively + THJ + OMax + 3 unpr FRPs (26, 28, 30) + 1 SRP (25 TOR)

DAL: Mikal + Claxton + 1 FRP (worst of 29 DAL/SAS)

SAS: 1 favorable FRP swap (29 DAL/SAS) + 1 SRP (28 MIA)


Mikal = Lively + 2 FRP + THJ 
Claxton = OMax + 1 FRP + 1 SRP


I may be short of 1 FRP on Mikal value, if we need to add more OKC could get involved, Presti would love something like this:

DAL: 1 FRP (1-10 pr 24 HOU; if not conveyed 1-10 UTA; if not conveyed yet unpr 24 LAC + 1 SRP)

OKC: 3 FRP swap (25, 27 + rights to swap their own 29 FRP with the worst of DAL/SAS)

I guess where we disagree is Claxton. Imho that's fair value factoring his contract status.

You’re now trading him in the offseason, so it’s a SnT for Claxton. What is he resigned to? That affects the matching salary requirements. I was trading by the TDL with the assets we have now.

[ACMFFL]

You’re now trading him in the offseason, so it’s a SnT for Claxton. What is he resigned to? That affects the matching salary requirements. I was trading by the TDL with the assets we have now.

Forgive me if I didnt explain it better, my English is bit rusty nowadays.
I meant in this season, that's why Mavs get back their own 2029 first (actually the worst one among SAS, OKC, DAL) in order to "unlock" another FRP

[Branduil]

There's no way the Mavs are trading Lively unless the return is a center who will clearly and unambiguously be better for the next 5 years. I like Claxton but it's very far from clear he fits that definition.

[KillerLeft]

There's no way the Mavs are trading Lively unless the return is a center who will clearly and unambiguously be better for the next 5 years. I like Claxton but it's very far from clear he fits that definition.

Yeah, I love Claxton, but Lively is the Mavs' Claxton. Mission accomplished.

[surfpuckmd]

We need a wing with size who can defend and hit open 3-pointers.  I'd like the Mavs to try to replicate the Dante Exum experience one more time.

Bruno Caboclo is currently playing for Partizan.  He's the former first pick who was 6'9 and had a 7'7 wingspan.  He busted in the NBA but looks to have become somebody very useful.  He always had the potential to be a great defender with exceptional length and good athleticism.  He couldn't survive though in the NBA as he couldn't shoot.  That's changed in Europe.  He's currently shooting 56.7 % from 3 in Euroleague with about 2.1 attempts per game.  He shot even better from 3 in the Adriatic league this season.

I think we could have him for a minimum deal.  I'd like to have a 2nd-year team option.  This could be the big athletic, wing we need with crazy long arms.  If he can hit the 3 in the NBA at 40% that would be a nice rotation player for us.  

I hope they try something like this.

[ThisIStheYear]

Even if the rules allowed it, I wouldn’t trade Lively straight up for Claxton and Bridges. I’d need a lot more value coming back. The fact that DLive is on a rookie deal makes his value even greater. His value is so high, he’s practically untradeable. It’s not really even worth a discussion.

[Chicagojk]

Not sure if this is accurate. If so, good that Hardaway is the piece they would move. He has been pretty good this year though.

If his value is minimal, than it is going to be hard for us to do any of the moves we have discussed. Holmes is a negative value and we only have one first and no expirings to offer.

https://x.com/mavsfilmroom/status/174853...82673?s=46&t=iwQP5yZoJF3Ulzfb9MH7Cg

[SleepingHero]

Honestly after watching some film on PJ Washington, I'm not particularly in love.

[ThisIStheYear]

Honestly after watching some film on PJ Washington, I'm not particularly in love.

If you think the film is bad, just look at the data. Sure, I’d take a flyer on him. He shows flashes and has the right athletic/position profile. I’d give up Hardy and Holmes plus a second or something like that (in other words, I’d give up a 2nd), but only if it didn’t impact our ability to use the exceptions next year.  And folks who’d include Omax in a deal for PJ are certifiable. Omax is tradable, but would have to bring back someone much more reliable than PJ.

[ItsGoTime]

Forgive me if I didnt explain it better, my English is bit rusty nowadays.
I meant in this season, that's why Mavs get back their own 2029 first (actually the worst one among SAS, OKC, DAL) in order to "unlock" another FRP

You probably did explain it, I’m then still hung up on the 26 pick being traded. It’s still tied up with the NYK pick until that pick conveys. If you solved the Bkn pick so we can trade the 28 and 30, you still need to solve the NYK pick. Can’t word it “next available” (which is how it’s been does around here to basically trade the 26 pick knowing that we will convey the NYK pick this year) because if that becomes the 27, then you can’t trade the 28.

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Even if the rules allowed it, I wouldn’t trade Lively straight up for Claxton and Bridges. I’d need a lot more value coming back. The fact that DLive is on a rookie deal makes his value even greater. His value is so high, he’s practically untradeable. It’s not really even worth a discussion.

Claxton AND Bridges…straight up (we all get this is illegal)? Now that’s full crazy talk.

[DanSchwartzgan]

I’d give up Hardy and Holmes plus a second or something like that (in other words, I’d give up a 2nd), but only if it didn’t impact our ability to use the exceptions next year.  

This has been my thought.  He scored 20 last night as Charlotte's starting center.  But, there are nights he just glides through the game.  He got paid (kind of) and may just be checked out.  His declining salary helps.  Does PJ's $15mm next season and $14mm the season after that really block OMax should he ascend to starter status?

Dallas ends up $350k under the tax in such a deal this season and adds $700k of salary for next season (so still looking at the TP MLE as the most we can give DJJ or anyone else in free agency without additional trades).

If I were Charlotte, I'd also do Rozier to Miami for Lowry, Jovic and Miami's 2024 (Charlotte doesn't have a first this summer).  Charlotte would then build around Ball, Hardy-Smith, Miller, Jovic and Williams

[Mavs2021]

If you think the film is bad, just look at the data. Sure, I’d take a flyer on him. He shows flashes and has the right athletic/position profile. I’d give up Hardy and Holmes plus a second or something like that (in other words, I’d give up a 2nd), but only if it didn’t impact our ability to use the exceptions next year.  And folks who’d include Omax in a deal for PJ are certifiable. Omax is tradable, but would have to bring back someone much more reliable than PJ.

I wouldn´t give up Hardy either. Just because somebody here wants a distressed asset doesn´t mean they want to pay over the odds. Maybe you flip Kleber + Curry for Fournier + two 2nd round picks. Then flip THJ for WCJ + Houstan. Finally you combine Holmes + Houstan + four 2nd round picks for Washington.

You end up with

Doncic/Exum/Hardy
Irving/Green
DJJ/Fournier
Washington/Williams/Omax
Lively/WCJ/Powell

Added two players U26, improved the cap structure with the Fournier expiring and the modest contracts of Washington/WCJ at a total cost of two 2nd round picks.
 
I think all these deals are reasonable. That´s the benefit of buying low.

[ACMFFL]

You probably did explain it, I’m then still hung up on the 26 pick being traded. It’s still tied up with the NYK pick until that pick conveys. If you solved the Bkn pick so we can trade the 28 and 30, you still need to solve the NYK pick. Can’t word it “next available” (which is how it’s been does around here to basically trade the 26 pick knowing that we will convey the NYK pick this year) because if that becomes the 27, then you can’t trade the 28.

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Claxton AND Bridges…straight up (we all get this is illegal)? Now that’s full crazy talk.

Good catch, it could be easily solved though. Mavs could trade their 24 FRP 11-30 protected; if it doesnt convey by 2024 then Mavs send their unpr 26 FRP to BRK.

[mvossman]

I wouldn´t give up Hardy either. Just because somebody here wants a distressed asset doesn´t mean they want to pay over the odds. Maybe you flip Kleber + Curry for Fournier + two 2nd round picks. Then flip THJ for WCJ + Houstan. Finally you combine Holmes + Houstan + four 2nd round picks for Washington.

You end up with

Doncic/Exum/Hardy
Irving/Green
DJJ/Fournier
Washington/Williams/Omax
Lively/WCJ/Powell

Added two players U26, improved the cap structure with the Fournier expiring and the modest contracts of Washington/WCJ at a total cost of two 2nd round picks.
 
I think all these deals are reasonable. That´s the benefit of buying low.

Maxi is a negative contract right now, Curry is neutral at best and Fournier is expiring.  Why would they pay 2 seconds for that deal?  I also doubt a bunch of seconds are enough for Hornets to take on bad contract and give up PJ.

[SleepingHero]

Evan Sidery (@esidery)
The Hornets will be sellers at the trade deadline, per @JakeLFischer (https://sports.yahoo.com/toronto-appears...33967.html).

LaMelo Ball, Brandon Miller and Mark Williams are the only players not available in trade talks.

Keep an eye on Terry Rozier, PJ Washington, Gordon Hayward and Miles Bridges potentially being on the move.