Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms

[Spin4177]

lol give me an fair answer, what do you think..

[fifteenth]

do you guys think we will make a trade for a starting player or not?

nice numbers, pal

[omahen]

https://twitter.com/MavsFilmRoom/status/...5008912384

[speedkilz88]

https://twitter.com/MavsFilmRoom/status/...5008912384

Mavs Film Room ??
@MavsFilmRoom


In Marc Stein’s latest column, he reports that the Mavs have likely moved on from Theo Pinson and trading Tim Hardaway Jr. And either trading or waiving JaVale McGee remain “expected moves” for the Mavs.

[omahen]

From Stein:
- Saric is still FA. He will go to GSW if he doesn't find a deal over vet min. I would certainly consider BaE level if this is all it takes. Great for bench depth
- Mavs likely moved on from Pinson
- trading THJ and McGee remain expected moves
- Utah could offer a sheet to Reed. Sixers expected to match any offer

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

Trading THJ remains an expected move.

Someone explain that part to me. Do they have a trade lined up already but trying to do better?

[ItsGoTime]

Of course it is. What are we doing here? If I initiated this, accept my apologies.

I wasn’t looking for this, but if we go by your assessment that Levert is worth more than THJ, what does that say when Levert just got $15M?

[F Gump]

From the way those Stein notes are worded, it seems to me he is surmising rather than reporting.

About THJ, it looks to me like his value in the lineup is going to be bigger than what he can bring in trade, because if he's traded it would leave a big hole. I think Stein's note is reactive to that reality. (NOTE: MFR's note says the Mavs have "moved on from ... trading Tim Hardaway Jr" which means Stein thinks he WON'T be traded). That makes sense, since at this point, the Mavs really lack SG-SF sized wings:

PG - Kyrie, Hardy, Curry [all are small, and PG-ish on the floor]

SG - Luka, Exum
SF - THJ, Green

PF - GW, Maxi, Prosper
C - Holmes, Lively, Powell, McGee

But about McGee, while he certainly doesn't seem to have a place in the lineup, I'm not sure what the point would be to waive him. Use him as trade filler? Sure. But if you're paying him anyhow ....

[KillerLeft]

Trading THJ remains an expected move.

Someone explain that part to me. Do they have a trade lined up already but trying to do better?

Maybe. I think it just means they’re still out there shopping THJ (maybe insisting that McGee is attached, which might be the problem) looking for something that makes sense. 

I think we can reasonably glean that they want to start Green and don’t want a guy who makes $18M and is slightly disgruntled about losing his job on the team if they can do better, but we knew that already.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

From the way those Stein notes are worded, it seems to me he is surmising rather than reporting.

About THJ, it looks to me like his value in the lineup is going to be bigger than what he can bring in trade, because if he's traded it would leave a big hole. I think Stein's note is reactive to that reality. At this point, the Mavs really lack SG-SF sized wings:

PG - Kyrie, Hardy, Curry [all are small, and PG-ish on the floor]

SG - Luka, Exum
SF - THJ, Green

PF - GW, Maxi, Prosper
C - Holmes, Lively, Powell, McGee

But about McGee, while he certainly doesn't seem to have a place in the lineup, I'm not sure what the point would be to waive him. Use him as trade filler? Sure. But if you're paying him anyhow ....

Pretty sure Kyrie, Green, Luka, Williams are penciled in as starters.

Trying really hard to turn THJ into a starting center.

[KillerLeft]

I wasn’t looking for this, but if we go by your assessment that Levert is worth more than THJ, what does that say when Levert just got $15M?

It says I’m 100% correct, because even in this new CBA, LaVert got near THJ money. 

Why are you chasing me down with this? What does any of this matter?

[KillerLeft]

I wasn’t looking for this, but if we go by your assessment that Levert is worth more than THJ, what does that say when Levert just got $15M?

By the way, I must’ve misread your question on the first post, but you must’ve misread my point about this. I think Hardaway is worth more than LaVert, not the other way around.

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From Stein:
- Saric is still FA. He will go to GSW if he doesn't find a deal over vet min. I would certainly consider BaE level if this is all it takes. Great for bench depth
- Mavs likely moved on from Pinson
- trading THJ and McGee remain expected moves
- Utah could offer a sheet to Reed. Sixers expected to match any offer

The aggregation here is different than the aggregation from the Mavs film room tweet on the previous page. Can you clarify?

[ItsGoTime]

It says I’m 100% correct, because even in this new CBA, LaVert got near THJ money. 

Why are you chasing me down with this? What does any of this matter?

You saying stuff like “I’m 100% correct” doesn’t help when I am (edit) 90% correct. We’ve had a good day, so that is the last thing I’ll say on the subject.

[omahen]

By the way, I must’ve misread your question on the first post, but you must’ve misread my point about this. I think Hardaway is worth more than LaVert, not the other way around.

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The aggregation here is different than the aggregation from the Mavs film room tweet on the previous page. Can you clarify?

Mavs film room didn't aggregate it correctly. Exact quote:

Trading Tim Hardaway Jr. and either trading or releasing JaVale McGee remain expected moves beyond all of the action in North Texas so far

[KillerLeft]

You saying stuff like “I’m 100% correct” doesn’t help when I am (edit) 90% correct. We’ve had a good day, so that is the last thing I’ll say on the subject.

Those percentages don’t add up, so one of us must be wrong. I’m pretty sure it’s you, but I honestly don’t care enough about this topic to worry much. I’m very happy that’s the last thing you’re going to say on the subject, and I will enjoy the respite between now and the next time.

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Mavs film room didn't aggregate it correctly. Exact quote:

Trading Tim Hardaway Jr. and either trading or releasing JaVale McGee remain expected moves beyond all of the action in North Texas so far

Very clear, thanks. Should’ve assumed you had it right to begin with!

[F Gump]

Still noodling with the Valanciunas idea, how about this?

NO sends JV-Lewis to Dallas, they get RH + 2nd
DAL sends RH to NO with a 2nd, also McGee to SA with a 2nd, they get JV-Lewis
SA sends a nothing to NO, they get McGee + 2nd

Both NO and DAL end up comfortably under the tax line.

[KillerLeft]

RoyTarpghost, that ^^^^ one reads to me like he has checked in recently. So you’ve still got some hope I think!

[F Gump]

Mavs film room didn't aggregate it correctly. Exact quote:

Trading Tim Hardaway Jr. and either trading or releasing JaVale McGee remain expected moves beyond all of the action in North Texas so far

Thank you for the clarity.

To amend my earlier post, if THJ is indeed going to be outgoing, the Mavs have to be looking for help at the wing as well as center, because here's where they are, with a real shortage of SG-SF sized wings:

PG - Kyrie, Hardy, Curry [all are small, and PG-ish on the floor]

SG - Luka, Exum
SF - THJ, Green

PF - GW, Maxi, Prosper
C - Holmes, Lively, Powell, McGee

[RasheedsBigWhiteSpot]

Mavs get: Siakam and Porter

Raptors get: THJ, Kleber, Green, Wood S/T (3yr/$18 mil), McGee, 2027 unprotected FRP, 2026 and 2028 pick swaps, 3 SRPs

[Chicagojk]

All the moves the Mavs have made this offseason suggest Hardaway is not here next year. Guys like Stein and others have also constantly mentioned this as well. The question is…do they have a deal for him?

I think unless they include a future first, that the return will not be eye popping. That is ok. Hardaway is a good player though and it appears a good teammate. So, I have been looking for a similar talent of Hardaway but just a position of need. I think any move made for him needs to be with that understanding.

For instance, Hayward makes too much money but that is the type of player I am expecting back in return. I just can’t find a deal that works there. There are others…maybe some centers. But my expectations is that if he is moved it is a similar caliber of player being returned.

Surprised Pinson may not be back. It opens a roster though. I will be interested to see how they fill. I believe McKinley Wright is fighting for a roster spot not a two way. Maybe he gets the spot?