Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms

[Jym]

Kuzma and Barnes suddenly becoming available really clutters up the market.

I wonder if one of Bruce Brown or Harrison Barnes will end up going for the MLE. Doesn't seem like much money will be handed out to veterans like that. Especially Barnes would be a steal if he ends up going that cheaply

[Dundalis]

I really hope you are wrong or this year is gonna be ugly.  Not sure I can make it through and to the other side.  Not sure our two superstars can either.

This kid is not remotely ready.  He is going to get destroyed on both ends against better NBA athletes.

I dont think the Mavs plan to give up on this upcoming season.  And I dont think he was a high enough pick where they try that hard to shoehorn him in to that role.

I don't think Lively is gonna get destroyed on both ends whatsoever. Struggles sure? Destroyed? No. What sells me isn't his rim protection, it's his PnR defense. How many 7'0 plus bigs are already above average at PnR defense coming out of college? IMO it's usually something that takes time because it's far more based on defensive IQ and reads than it is about length and athleticism (even though both make a big difference). He was also a guy that altered the geometry of the court the second half of the season at Duke, and altered games despite having zero offense. If his defense was predicated on just length and athleticism I might agree but I think he's one of those guys with high level defensive IQ, and those guys can figure it out much much quicker.

[Jason Terry]

We are starved for defense, athleticism, length, youth, speed, rebounding, rim protection, energy/motor, high IQ players…..

Lively and OMP bring all of this day 1. I think they both play all year. I’m not saying start. And their offense will be a work in progress for years. But the minutes are there

As for what Luka and Kyrie think about it. I think they both want this. It gives Luka more hope for the future. Kyrie likes to play with the young dudes. By all accounts in Brooklyn, Kyrie is the guy that showed Claxton how to play basketball. Kyrie already has a championship, so that sense of urgency is not there as it is with players who have not won. I think our guys will be thrilled with the team

[DanSchwartzgan]

Hopefully they have something more exciting than this, but a small move they could make would be Reggie for Kyle Anderson.  Each would fit better on their new team than their current.  Each is UFA in a year.

[omahen]

Hopefully they have something more exciting than this, but a small move they could make would be Reggie for Kyle Anderson.  Each would fit better on their new team than their current.  Each is UFA in a year.

I like Slow Mo a lot. I would also assume he is very gettable due to whole Gobert situation. I wish Mavs would aim higher, but he is not bad.

I was always a Grant fan. Recent moves might show, that Portland is more concerned about future than win now. So they might not be prepared to give him what he wants. But if he walks, so does Dame, imho. Rumors are, Simons is available (redundant) since they drafted Scoot, so Portland will likely look to improve by this trade. Simons is on a decent contract and has star potential.

[dirkfansince1998]

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1672279805176295425

"The Hawks are under a mandate from ownership to get under the luxury tax, per
@WindhorstESPN"

Didn´t happen on draft day but they have to move at least one out of Capela/Hunter/Collins in the coming days/weeks.

One thing that would interest me is S.Bey into the remaining TPE combined with a salary saving move for the Hawks that features Bullock/THJ in exchange for Collins or Capela.

[soog]

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1672279805176295425



Didn´t happen on draft day but they have to move at least one out of Capela/Hunter/Collins in the coming days/weeks.

One thing that would interest me is S.Bey into the remaining TPE combined with a salary saving move for the Hawks that features Bullock/THJ in exchange for Collins or Capela.

If you want Bey it’d have to be Collins, but given Bey’s performance and his contract I have a hard time seeing him moved. We also don’t have much other ways to provide salary matching and any significant savings this year.

[Mavs2021]

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1672279805176295425



Didn´t happen on draft day but they have to move at least one out of Capela/Hunter/Collins in the coming days/weeks.

One thing that would interest me is S.Bey into the remaining TPE combined with a salary saving move for the Hawks that features Bullock/THJ in exchange for Collins or Capela.

Capela/Bey for Bullock/McGee, waive Bullock and they are under the tax.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

Capela/Bey for Bullock/McGee, waive Bullock and they are under the tax.

I heard from some podcast the Hawks wanted Green and Hardy plus pick swaps to go with Bertans when the Mavs suggested for Capela instead of Collins.

If there is any truth to this, then the Hawks must be thinking at that time they can con Nico (or maybe Cubes).
Either that of the Hawks were just delusional.

I'd like to believe there's some truth to that report, the Mavs could have just got Capela and 15 if the Hawks were agreeable to it.

Instead, the Mavs got one of the best drafting results possible for what they gave up.
And the Hawks?

They can try again, but lowering the price, would do them good.

[Mavs2021]

I heard from some podcast the Hawks wanted Green and Hardy plus pick swaps to go with Bertans when the Mavs suggested for Capela instead of Collins.

If there is any truth to this, then the Hawks must be thinking at that time they can con Nico (or maybe Cubes).
Either that of the Hawks were just delusional.

I'd like to believe there's some truth to that report, the Mavs could have just got Capela and 15 if the Hawks were agreeable to it.

Instead, the Mavs got one of the best drafting results possible for what they gave up.
And the Hawks?

They can try again, but lowering the price, would do them good.

Thy only time I had dirty trade thoughts about Hardy was thinking about the close relationship between Dame and Nico.

[dirkfansince1998]

Question for the CBA experts. Spotrac lists the TPE without Holmes trade kicker. 4.9m instead of 3.1m. Correct?

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

A third ball handler in the starting lineup is less of an issue if this team is much improved defensively, because its not incumbent upon the offense alone to drive the team to wins.

A team can be elite defensively but still lose games.
Apparently, teams lose when they have exploitable weaknesses.

I'd like to think the requisite number of ballhandlers for any team should be 3.

Currently, the Mavs have 2 ballhandlers.
Hardy has pretty good handles, and he can be counted as a quasi-third, but he isn't a player you ask to bring the ball up and organize an offense.
Green has good court vision, but his dribble although functional, isn't as good.

Beyond these 4, there's no one who could dribble.

The thing is -- this third ballhandler doesn't need to be a guard.

The Mavs need a PF more than a ballhandler at this point, if they can find a stretch 4 or a big SF who's not totally inept with the ball, that's going to do wonders for the Mavs.

[Dundalis]

A team can be elite defensively but still lose games.
Apparently, teams lose when they have exploitable weaknesses.

I'd like to think the requisite number of ballhandlers for any team should be 3.

Currently, the Mavs have 2 ballhandlers.
Hardy has pretty good handles, and he can be counted as a quasi-third, but he isn't a player you ask to bring the ball up and organize an offense.
Green has good court vision, but his dribble although functional, isn't as good.

Beyond these 4, there's no one who could dribble.

The thing is -- this third ballhandler doesn't need to be a guard.

The Mavs need a PF more than a ballhandler at this point, if they can find a stretch 4 or a big SF who's not totally inept with the ball, that's going to do wonders for the Mavs.

I specifically referred to having 3 ball handlers in the starting lineup. Not on the team in general. The Mavs made the WCF with two starting ball handlers, along with a very good defense. I'm certainly not against getting a third ball handler for the bench. It's far more important to surround Luka and Kyrie with high level defenders, than it is to have a third ball handler start with them. If they can manage to acquire a high level defensive wing/big who can handle the ball, then obviously that's great. It's not necessary though.

[ItsGoTime]

What do you mean the best we could hope for? Kyrie has NO leverage. I offer him 3 max. If Kyrie says no, what's he gonna do? He can whine and moan, but he doesn't have options. No one with max cap space is giving him a 4+ year max deal. I'd start with 1+1 as opener then offer him 2 years with a team option for a 3rd, and he can take it or leave it, and see if he can find a team with max cap space thats not a bottom feeder, but will actually want to spend max money on a 30 year old headcase PG for 4-5 years. I think he will have the same luck as Wood getting the money he wants.

I actually think this team could do fine without Kyrie. Depending on further acquisition's I think this team could be better than the one that went to the WCF. People acting like this team is done if Kyrie doesn't sign seem to be missing that we were on a contending trajectory without him. If he doesn't want to take a shorter term deal, if we could swing a S&T, I'd be completely good with that, even if the return aren't ideal fits. It would likely be assets we could more easily flip down the line. I love the fact that Cuban and Nico are making sure they state that despite wanting Kyrie, we will be fine either way. To me means they are not just gonna give Kyrie what he wants.

I say what I mean. I also didn’t say “best we could hope for”, I said “best we should hope for”. There is a difference with the change of words and I mostly choose my words carefully due to responses like this. 

I haven’t seen anything that has Cuban and Nico talking so flippantly about resigning Kyrie, can I get a source on that? Everything I see is eerily similar to what they said about Brunson last year. 

Following Cuban as long as we have, we know Kyrie’s being retained is his strongest need for the team. I believe his confidence in retaining Kyrie is what has helped him relax the reigns a bit (as FGump recently talked about) on micro managing things. 

I also believe keeping Kyrie is more important than you are making it out to be. No one is interested in Luka playing hero ball and wearing himself out at the end of the season yet again (well, maybe you are). 

I also am pretty much certain that the FO is not going into negotiations with the take it or leave it attitude you are expressing. Kyrie will have at least 1 other option going into the negotiations or his agent (mother) isn’t doing their job. We already know Hou is a possibility, there could be another team to emerge, never know. You may think, fine, let him go there. I have no doubt our FO does not share that sentiment.

[cow]

The Mavs need a PF more than a ballhandler at this point, if they can find a stretch 4 or a big SF who's not totally inept with the ball, that's going to do wonders for the Mavs.

What about JIngles as a low cost, short-term bench PF who can handle the rock and shoot the three at a high clip?

[RasheedsBigWhiteSpot]

Just a thought:

Hawks get - R.Holmes, Green, Hardy, Bullock, McGee, 2027 FRP

Mavs get - Murray, Capella and Johnson

Hawks lower their payroll and get younger pieces
Mavs get a top 2-way wing in Murray who I think compliments Luka better. The Mavs could sign Kyrie to good contract or S/T him and get something back.

[cow]

Probably not enough considering what they paid for Murray. Rather than could, I think the Mavs would need to S&T Kyrie at that point.

[F Gump]

Hopefully they have something more exciting than this, but a small move they could make would be Reggie for Kyle Anderson.  Each would fit better on their new team than their current.  Each is UFA in a year.

If doable, sign me up.

[F Gump]

Question for the CBA experts. Spotrac lists the TPE without Holmes trade kicker. 4.9m instead of 3.1m. Correct?

Spotrac has jumped the gun on that trade by doing their sheets before the deal is actually finished. At this point, no one knows whether the TK will be paid, or if more teams/players might be added to the deal.

Let me add a trade idea that works from multiple angles IF the Mavs can get Bullock to extend his deadline:

Add-on to the OKC/SAC/DAL deal
Bullock (to be s-waived), McGee to ATL
Capela, Johnson to DAL
Holmes has to waive his TK (positive cap/tax implications for the Mavs)

End result -- Mavs are under Apron 1 and hard-capped, ATL is under tax line with room to spare. In fact, they could probably waive RB and not stretch him and still be under the tax line.

[soog]

Looks like Stein is saying Mavs are prioritizing Bruce Brown

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/da...ree-agency

I know it is SI which I generally don’t trust but it references: https://marcstein.substack.com/p/free-ag...e=substack&publication_id=392205&post_id=130613622&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=false

The way he states it, it seems like more than just speculation.

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According to Marc Stein, the Mavs have created a viable pathway to the $12.4 million midlevel exception to pursue "top wings' in free agency. The starting point of those efforts will be Bruce Brown.

"Dallas instead used Bertans' contract to move down two spots in the draft to select Duke center Dereck Lively II at No. 12 and likewise move far enough away from luxury-tax territory to gain use of the full non-taxpayers’ $12.4 midlevel exception in free agency to pursue top wings in free agency (starting with Denver’s Bruce Brown)," Stein wrote.