Trade & FA 2023-24: Paul George to Test Free Agency After No Contract Extension

[KillerLeft]

I have been against it as well and would prefer to use my assets on a wing to finish up the roster.   Look for a cheap backup in the offseason or by small trade.

But with Toronto going nowhere and a lot of big money decisions, I wonder what they do.   There isn't a lot of demand for a Center making 20 million per year for the next 3-4 years.  Especially one not playing well.   So, I wonder if you could get him at a discount?   Dealing with Toronto is a nightmare though.   Plus, they would have to deal with blow back from potentially giving the Spurs their pick this year for the Poetl trade.   I could make the case that Poetl may be more attractive than Cappella in Dallas.   Not sure where I fall on that argument though.   

What if the Cost was Holmes plus Hardy and salary?  Would you do that?   The issue is the Mavs are pretty limited on what they can offer....or better what they want to offer.  With no expiring, teams need to hold their nose a little for the packages we would be offering.

It doesn't matter what the trade cost is. They could give him to Dallas for the worst $20 M equivalent Dallas has in unwanted salary (Holmes is probably a good start) and it would still be a bad move. Holmes, for example, will be easier to convert to WANTED salary next year, as an expiring contract, than Poetl will be at any time over the next four years. It would essentially be like giving Holmes a raise and re-signing him for four years just to resume not playing him.

That last part is probably a stretch for some reading, but I stand by it. The only way Poetl would see enough time to have even the remotest chance to earn $20 M per is if Lively gets hurt. The backup center's contract need's to look like...well, like Dwight Powell's! 

I'm not even sure I'll be in favor of paying Lively what it will take to keep him on a second deal, and I like him WAY more for this team than Poetl.

[IamDougieFresh]

I really like Holmes/Green/Powell for PJ/Richards/Frank. What draft capital balances this one?

Final roster looks sexy if you ask me.

Kyrie - Hardy - Curry
Exum - THJ - Frank
Luka - DJJ - OMax
PJ - Williams - Morris
Lively - Richards - Maxi

[Knutsen]

Would you go all-in for Siakam?

„All-in“ meaning trading all our assets, the 27 pick, Green, Hardy and anything else that could have value with the exception of Luka, Kyrie and Lively.

Question for me is if a team of

Kyrie
Exum
Luka
Siakam
Lively

can win the title this year?

[Chicagojk]

Grant Williams for DFS. would you? All for discussion as I don't think Nets make that move. Dallas may not either.

Hypothetical, if KP stayed in Washington and was playing good ball, would he be someone you offered multiple firsts for?

[KillerLeft]

Would you go all-in for Siakam?

„All-in“ meaning trading all our assets, the 27 pick, Green, Hardy and anything else that could have value with the exception of Luka, Kyrie and Lively.

Question for me is if a team of

Kyrie
Exum
Luka
Siakam
Lively

can win the title this year?

I might do that. 

My feelings on Green and (especially) Hardy have cooled off since the summer, for sure, and Siakim is the type for whom I could be convinced to give up the pick. 

It really comes down to a few things:

1) Can the trade be had for that cost? I don't think I'd pay more than that for Siakim at this time. 

2) He's going to get the max. He'd probably re-sign here, as long as the Mavs were to offer it. Is he good enough to be the second max guy (plus Kyrie, yikes) on the roster, or is the ass-ache of working around those three big deals going to be more trouble than the benefit of having him? 

3) Does he WANT to come here and play with Luka? He gets that he's #2 now, right? This is actually really important, and we just aren't in a position to know.

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Grant Williams for DFS.  would you?  All for discussion as I don't think Nets make that move.  Dallas may not either. 

Hypothetical, if KP stayed in Washington and was playing good ball, would he be someone you offered multiple firsts for?

I might do Williams for DFS, but I kind of think that gets you further away. I like DFS more, but he's closer to DJJ than he is to Williams, imo. I really think Williams is going to fit in better as we go forward. 

NO to idea #2. In fact, I'd be willing to give up the 2nd round pick on an annual basis just to ensure Porzingis never becomes a Maverick again.

[Winter]

Grant Williams for DFS.  would you?  All for discussion as I don't think Nets make that move.  Dallas may not either. 

Just as an aside, I wouldn't think a team would like to trade a player they just signed in the off-season. It looks bad I think. It says the team wasn't very good at scouting their need, and it makes the player look flawed. Are there other instances of this? I would think it would be rare. Seems like you need to give it a full year at least.

That said, I actually like the idea of the trade.

Even though it's a half-season longer, I also think Dallas would be unlikely to trade Kyrie for the same reason.

[omahen]

Would you go all-in for Siakam?

„All-in“ meaning trading all our assets, the 27 pick, Green, Hardy and anything else that could have value with the exception of Luka, Kyrie and Lively.

Question for me is if a team of

Kyrie
Exum
Luka
Siakam
Lively

can win the title this year?

Yes, I would certainly do it, if the deal would be done as an extend and trade and if the matching salary is THJ+Holmes (or Maxi). It might not be enough this season, because Lively is still learning, but I would certainly be far more comfortable about this team than what we have now. Mavs are one serious piece away and I think that final piece will be expensive in any case. Cost is not the factor, fit is. Siakam might not be a perfect fit offensively, but he certainly rises our ceiling significantly. And he already has a ring! Meaning, you can win with him as your starter.

[HoosierDaddyKidd]

Would you go all-in for Siakam?

„All-in“ meaning trading all our assets, the 27 pick, Green, Hardy and anything else that could have value with the exception of Luka, Kyrie and Lively.

Question for me is if a team of

Kyrie
Exum
Luka
Siakam
Lively

can win the title this year?

Who's coming off the bench? That's a big part of what makes a team contenders.

[omahen]

Who's coming off the bench? That's a big part of what makes a team contenders.

I would like to keep DJJ, GW, Omax, Curry and Powell. A combination of THJ, Holmes, Maxi salaries and Green+Hardy+2027 as assets.

[surfpuckmd]

Grant Williams for DFS.  would you?  All for discussion as I don't think Nets make that move.  Dallas may not either. 

Hypothetical, if KP stayed in Washington and was playing good ball, would he be someone you offered multiple firsts for?

I would definitely trade Grant Williams for DFS.  Grant's defense has been really disappointing.  I think he's an undersized three-point specialist.  DFS may be on the decline but is still better defensively and is actually shooting better from 3 this season than Williams.  The Nets would probably not accept the deal.

[GATA]

I would do anything in our power to offload Irving. Guy is a total cancer. We are better without him.

[surfpuckmd]

I would do anything in our power to offload Irving.  Guy is a total cancer.  We are better without him.

He's injured.  He's been outstanding since he's been here when he's played.  

That cancer has was an All-Star starter last year and has an NBA championship ring.

He has been an ideal second star since he arrived here.  He also is respected and admired by the overwhelming majority of NBA players.

Your comment reflects poorly on you.

[dirkfansince1998]

Kyrie is many things but as a Mav he has been on his best behaviour and seems to be beloved by his teammates. There is a noticable difference when it comes to the locker room vibes compared to last season. Not exactly what you would expect after the addition of a "total cancer".
He is injury-prone but his most recent injury was more of a freak accident. Things like that happen.
It's fair to point out that compared to previous seasons his on court production hasn't been as good. Worst scoring volume+efficiency since 16/17. He started the season ice cold from three. Followed by a stretch of games where his inbetween game was off. His midrange percentages are way below his career averages. We haven't seen the best version of Kyrie this season.
That said. He is still easily the best 2nd option the Mavs had since Luka entered the league.

Overall I wasn't a fan of the trade. Still think that they made a desperation move and that waiting for a better fitting piece would have been the better option. For the remaining Luka/Kyrie days the Mavs will have to find ways to balance out their defensive short comings. Looking at the current roster that makes it nearly impossible to pair them with players like THJ or Hardy.
The recent stretch without Kyrie really showed how much better the defense can be if Luka is paired with better athlets like Exum or DJJ.

I wouldn't oppose a deal that sends out Kyrie for a better two-way player but due to his age and off court history his on court value greatly exceeds his trade value. Making it nearly impossible to find a replacement that isn't a big talent downgrade.

Just to get an opinion. Rumors are linking the Lakers to Dejounte Murray. Would anyone be willing to give up Kyrie and a minor asset to get involved in a Murray trade. Reunite Kyrie and LeBron in LA. Land Murray and hope that he can be an even better version of Exum.

[mvossman]

Kyrie is many things but as a Mav he has been on his best behaviour and seems to be beloved by his teammates. There is a noticable different when it comes to the locker room vibes compared to last season. Not exactly what you would expect after the addition of a "total cancer".
He is injury-prone but his most recent injury was more of a freak accident. Things like that happen.
It's fair to point out that compared to previous seasons his on court production hasn't been as good. Worst scoring volume+efficiency since 16/17. He started the season ice cold from three. Followed by a stretch of games where his inbetween game was off. His midrange percentages are way below his career averages. We haven't seen the best version of Kyrie this season.
That said. He is still easily the best 2nd option the Mavs had since Luka entered the league.

Overall I wasn't a fan of the trade. Still think that they made a desperation move and that waiting for a better fitting piece would have been the better option. For the remaining Luka/Kyrie days the Mavs will have to find ways to balance out their defensive short comings. Looking at the current roster that makes it nearly impossible to pair them with players like THJ or Hardy.
The recent stretch without Kyrie really showed how much better the defense can be if Luka is paired with better athlets like Exum or DJJ.

I wouldn't oppose a deal that sends out Kyrie for a better two-way player but due to his age and off court history his on court value greatly exceeds his trade value. Making it nearly impossible to find a replacement that isn't a big talent downgrade.

Just to get an opinion. Rumors are linking the Lakers to Dejounte Murray. Would anyone be willing to give up Kyrie and a minor asset to get involved in a Murray trade. Reunite Kyrie and LeBron in LA. Land Murray and hope that he can be an even better version of Exum.

I think you have to do that.  He is a better fit, both defensively and timeline.  He cost 3 firsts not long ago.  If we can turn one first, Dorian plus a minor asset to land him, it would be a big win.  Kyrie is the better player, but given age and contracts, it would probably take more than a minor asset to make that happen.

[KillerLeft]

Kyrie is many things but as a Mav he has been on his best behaviour and seems to be beloved by his teammates. There is a noticable different when it comes to the locker room vibes compared to last season. Not exactly what you would expect after the addition of a "total cancer".
He is injury-prone but his most recent injury was more of a freak accident. Things like that happen.
It's fair to point out that compared to previous seasons his on court production hasn't been as good. Worst scoring volume+efficiency since 16/17. He started the season ice cold from three. Followed by a stretch of games where his inbetween game was off. His midrange percentages are way below his career averages. We haven't seen the best version of Kyrie this season.
That said. He is still easily the best 2nd option the Mavs had since Luka entered the league.

Overall I wasn't a fan of the trade. Still think that they made a desperation move and that waiting for a better fitting piece would have been the better option. For the remaining Luka/Kyrie days the Mavs will have to find ways to balance out their defensive short comings. Looking at the current roster that makes it nearly impossible to pair them with players like THJ or Hardy.
The recent stretch without Kyrie really showed how much better the defense can be if Luka is paired with better athlets like Exum or DJJ.

I wouldn't oppose a deal that sends out Kyrie for a better two-way player but due to his age and off court history his on court value greatly exceeds his trade value. Making it nearly impossible to find a replacement that isn't a big talent downgrade.

Just to get an opinion. Rumors are linking the Lakers to Dejounte Murray. Would anyone be willing to give up Kyrie and a minor asset to get involved in a Murray trade. Reunite Kyrie and LeBron in LA. Land Murray and hope that he can be an even better version of Exum.

I am aligned with much of this thinking. Here's what I don't think we know, and what gives me pause on your idea:

Just how respected is Kyrie in the locker room? How big of a factor was he when guys like Williams and DJJ decided to come here? Will he be a draw to other free agents and/or trade targets in the near future? Is he a leader in the locker room, sort of the adult in a very young room? Is he partially responsible for the chemistry this season, helping guys accept and lock into their roles? How would the players respond to the Mavs trading him? Is he going to elevate his game from what we've seen since he arrived when they get to the stretch run and then the playoffs? I think he can...

I'd need a much clearer picture on all of that before pulling the trigger. I agree with your premise that Murray is a better fit in some key ways, but I think part of what the Mavs wanted with the trade was the same thing they wanted back when they aimed for Kyle Lowry. For lack of a better way to describe it, I think Kyrie gives them a little street cred, both in their locker room and in other locker rooms. Hell, maybe even with officials during games.

[omahen]

Some chatter about Mavs appearing. Lots of chatter Atlanta wants Siakam, but he doesn't want to resign with them. Real danger is Philly and their cap space in the summer. According to some unconfirmed rumors, Toronto wants Bogdanovic and Jalen Johnson in return. Bogdanovic is stat wise very similar to THJ. Same age and similar yearly salary, but a year longer contract (and another year with team option). Not sure if that is an advantage or disadvantage in Toronto case. Both players would bring much needed shooting to Toronto and likely be their starting SG (Quickley-THJ-Barrett-Barnes_Poeltl). Johnson has a breakout season with roughly 14 ppg in his third year in the league, but would sort of overlap with their franchise hopeful Barnes. Mavs don't have anything similar to offer, Green might be closest to that.

So, if Atlanta really wants Siakam and puts on the table everything Toronto wants, they can outbid Mavs. But, would they really want to give up everything for what can only be a 6 months rental?

[omahen]

One thing that might matter a lot. If Adelsons really want to win, Cuban needs to show new management that he can build a contender. So, aggresive/short-term moves might be more in play.

[KillerLeft]

Some chatter about Mavs appearing. Lots of chatter Atlanta wants Siakam, but he doesn't want to resign with them. Real danger is Philly and their cap space in the summer. According to some unconfirmed rumors, Toronto wants Bogdanovic and Jalen Johnson in return. Bogdanovic is stat wise very similar to THJ. Same age and similar yearly salary, but a year longer contract (and another year with team option). Not sure if that is an advantage or disadvantage in Toronto case. Both players would bring much needed shooting to Toronto and likely be their starting SG (Quickley-THJ-Barrett-Barnes_Poeltl). Johnson has a breakout season with roughly 14 ppg in his third year in the league, but would sort of overlap with their franchise hopeful Barnes. Mavs don't have anything similar to offer, Green might be closest to that.

So, if Atlanta really wants Siakam and puts on the table everything Toronto wants, they can outbid Mavs. But, would they really want to give up everything for what can only be a 6 months rental?

It's not really clear from this what the "Mavs chatter" is. 

Is there speculation from a reasonable source that the Mavs are interested in Siakim, or is that you applying the info about ATL to our working knowledge of the Mavs' circumstances?

[Jason Terry]

How much of a trade spread can we take on before we are taxpayers?

Mavs get Siakam

Raps get Omax, THJ, Holmes, Hardy

No picks

IMO, that’s a similar package to what the Knicks gave up for OG

[mvossman]

How much of a trade spread can we take on before we are taxpayers?

Mavs get Siakam

Raps get Omax, THJ, Holmes, Hardy

No picks

IMO, that’s a similar package to what the Knicks gave up for OG

There is nothing in that package remotely close to Quickley.