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[RoyTarpleysGhost]

I do think it's kind of funny no one knows if Holmes is even going to be on the roster vs Holmes is the starting center. Wide range of outcomes.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

I do think it's kind of funny no one knows if Holmes is even going to be on the roster vs Holmes is the starting center.  Wide range of outcomes.

Vegas would put Holmes' starting at astronomical odds.

[cow]

I do think it's kind of funny no one knows if Holmes is even going to be on the roster vs Holmes is the starting center.  Wide range of outcomes.

At least we can all agree where the major weakness on the team is.

[DanSchwartzgan]

I'm on Stein's live chat (God, I need to get back to the real world).

He's mentioned Indy and Dallas as reported suitors for Grant Williams
He's mentioned Barnes would likely be interested in a return to Dallas (Indy has shown interest there too).


Most probably missed this, but FG made mention that in 23/24 (when last nights trades become final), the trade matching rules are not 125%.  They are 110% for teams over the first apron and 200% or $7.5mm for everyone else.  If there is anyone out there (besides me) looking for ways to expand the Bertans/Holmes deal, please bear this in mind.  Below is a quote from FG in the "New CBA" thread:


"2 There are significant hits to team flexibility by being over over the FIRST apron. In a trade, they get 110% matching for 2023-24 season, but then it's 100% (no multiplier) in future years. Everyone else gets 200% rather than the prior 175% (NOTE - that is limited by the $5M spread as before, except it's been increased to 7.5M and will now inflate with future cap growth)"

[dirkfansince1998]

Meh.  I think that's Kidd's hate spewing becoming fan's opinions more than anything.

Wood's # of contested # of 3's (1.9),  3ptA (3.5),and his 3ptDfg% (35.6) are both above average for a Forward.  It's much better than MPJ's 1.4, 3.1, and 37.2 in fewer minutes.  I'm not saying he's Draymond Green, but he should be used on the perimeter more like MPJ.

Don´t care about Kidd. Just call it like I see it. Among rotatation players last season he had the worst defensive on/off. Going along with terrible tracking numbers as a pick and roll or iso defender. 22.5 percentile against pick and roll ballhandlers. 40.2 percentile against isos.

Unless you are planning to put him on the worst opposing scorer and hope that he can just stand in the corner you don´t want him defending the perimeter. And like I already said. That should be Luka´s role anyway. Mavs aren´t trying to build around Wood.

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Powell is the culture torch barer and can actually contribute.  If he takes a vet minimum, I think he's here.   Seems like we'll have the space.  What am I missing from our roster?

Just in general. Teams will have three two-way spots next season.

[SweetFidelia]

That is a worse rebounding team than this year.  If we play Luka with 2 guards, the 2 bigs have to be really good rebounders.  Maxi is our only switching defender, but his rebounding is terrible, not to mention his availability.

Unless a Wood SNT is involved with deal for a defensive and rebounding big, we need his rebounding and him as a third scorer.

I do think Holmes and Lively CAN BE rebounding upgrades.  Holmes was a top 20-25 rebounder in the entire NBA when he played regularly (ORB%, DRB%, and TRB%).  I don't want to put too much stock in a Holmes comeback, but that dude has absolutely been through the ringer personally.   

Looks like they ran a bunch of pick and roll with Holmes and Halliburton.  They trade Halliburton for Sabonis, and Fox is also not much of a pick and roll guy (all per articles; I don't watch Kings games!).  Then they hired Mike Brown who really doesn't run the pick and roll at all.  So, Holmes no longer is a fit, and they didn't use him.  When he did get minutes, his effort was not always there ("lost" and "disengaged" used frequently in articles). 

So....I have zero expectations, but I don't think he's washed.  If he gets anywhere close to what he was, man, that would be gravy.  But, yes, we'll need one more C.  I just hope it's not McGee or Powell, but Cuban loves Dwight Powell; there's no way Cuban can quit him.

[Mavs2021]

I´m getting giddy about the Wizards possibilities.

We could really use a veteran pass first PG on a reasonable contract to guide Jaden Hardy on the 2nd unit.

Hello Monte Morris and Ty Jones.

We could really use a complementary PF/C to Dereck Lively that is on a good long-term contract and lines up age-wise with the younger core.

HELLO Daniel Gafford.

Feels like an 2027 unprotected 1st would be an overpay for Gafford/Morris even with Bullock/McGee going the other way. But let´s say that´s the win now price.

I feel that is smart roster construction and a nice balance between winning now and building for the future.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Don´t care about Kidd. Just call it like I see it. Among rotatation players last season he had the worst defensive on/off. Going along with terrible tracking numbers as a pick and roll or iso defender. 22.5 percentile against pick and roll ballhandlers. 40.2 percentile against isos.

Unless you are planning to put him on the worst opposing scorer and hope that he can just stand in the corner you don´t want him defending the perimeter. And like I already said. That should be Luka´s role anyway. Mavs aren´t trying to build around Wood.

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Just in general. Teams will have three two-way spots next season.

I don't recall ever stating we build around Wood.  As Biden says "don't judge me against the allmighty, judge me against the alternative".  So who is your alternative?

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

I'm on Stein's live chat (God, I need to get back to the real world).

He's mentioned Indy and Dallas as reported suitors for Grant Williams
He's mentioned Barnes would likely be interested in a return to Dallas (Indy has shown interest there too).


Most probably missed this, but FG made mention that in 23/24 (when last nights trades become final), the trade matching rules are not 125%.  They are 110% for teams over the first apron and 200% or $7.5mm for everyone else.  If there is anyone out there (besides me) looking for ways to expand the Bertans/Holmes deal, please bear this in mind.  Below is a quote from FG in the "New CBA" thread:


"2 There are significant hits to team flexibility by being over over the FIRST apron. In a trade, they get 110% matching for 2023-24 season, but then it's 100% (no multiplier) in future years. Everyone else gets 200% rather than the prior 175% (NOTE - that is limited by the $5M spread as before, except it's been increased to 7.5M and will now inflate with future cap growth)"

Definitely feels like Indy is our major competition when it comes to getting wing help this offseason.  Jake Fischer mentioned Jonathan Kuminga was offered to Indy for the 7th pick and they turned it down.  Wonder if he's a name we're monitoring as well, I know that would probably make Killer pretty happy.

[DallasMaverick]

Roger that.

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Ships don't sail until they sail.

I'd take CWood back as one of the vet minimums.

[DanSchwartzgan]

I'm on Stein's live chat.... 

He's mentioned Indy and Dallas as reported suitors for Grant Williams
 
Most probably missed this, but FG made mention that in 23/24 (when last nights trades become final), the trade matching rules are not 125%.  They are 110% for teams over the first apron and 200% or $7.5mm for everyone else.  If there is anyone out there (besides me) looking for ways to expand the Bertans/Holmes deal, please bear this in mind.  Below is a quote from FG in the "New CBA" thread:

OK, real life example:  

I think it will be fairly easy to send Reggie to a cap room team at his guaranteed amount of $5.4mm if he pushed his guarantee date to the new year.  Those teams have to hit the minimum salary and Dallas can even pay the salary for them. McGee works similarly for trade matching except for the second guaranteed season.

That expands our outgoing in the deal that closes 7/6 to $22.4mm (combo of Bertans and Reggie at $5.4mm).  Add in $7.5mm and you are at $29.9mm.  Take away Holmes and you are at $17.9mm (if he waives his TK).  Now you are able to take in a player under contract or a S&T and the team they are leaving doesn't have to take back anything (but the result of this has to end with Dallas under the first apron).  

Obviously we can use different players or Reggie at his full salary to make this work to a different number.  But I like Reggie for two reasons...1. We can make it basically free for a cap room team to take him by sending cash.  2. It creates room for a serious role for the incoming free agent. Would he push his date? If the choice is being cut or possibly getting more in July, he should probably push it.

[Jym]

OK, real life example:  

I think it will be fairly easy to send Reggie to a cap room team at his guaranteed amount of $5.4mm.  They have to hit the minimum salary and Dallas can even pay the salary for them.

That expands our outgoing in the deal that closes 7/6 to $22.4mm (combo of Bertans and Reggie at $5.4mm).  Add in $7.5mm and you are at $29.9mm.  Take away Holmes and you are at $17.9mm (if he waives his TK).  Now you are able to take in a player under contract or a S&T and the team they are leaving doesn't have to take back anything.  

Obviously we can use different players or Reggie at his full salary to make this work to a different number.  But I like Reggie for two reasons...1. We can make it basically free for a cap room team to take him by sending cash.  2. It creates room for a serious role for the incoming free agent.

Only problem with the Bullock angle is that I think his contract becomes fully guaranteed on the 28th of this month. At least according to Spotrac. Hopefully that's wrong and we have more flexibility

[dirkfansince1998]

I don't recall ever stating we build around Wood.  As Biden says "don't judge me against the allmighty, judge me against the alternative".  So who is your alternative?

I responded to your statement about Wood´s role on defense. That´s Luka´s role. Mavs cannot hide 2-3 guys on defense. That leaves Wood as the odd man out.
As far as alternatives go. Offensive production from Kyrie and Luka is enough to guarantee a top 10 offense (in the past Luka alone was enough). So I am looking at guys that cand defend multiple positions and make up for the defensive short comings of Luka and Kyrie. Something that won´t be as easy if Wood stays because realistically they cannot resign both him and Kyrie and stay under the first apron. They would lose the full MLE and BAE.

[michaeltex]

Really stupid question here, but it's been a looong week...

Does last night stop any talk of taking Ayton off PHX's hands? I assume so since previous discussions included the just-used #10 pick and now there seems to be a logjam at the 5 spot.

Or do you offer Holmes + ???? (THJ?, Reggie?). I don't think that will get anywhere, and I'll be happy talking about the potential of all the new faces from last night's results.

[Jym]

Really stupid question here, but it's been a looong week...

Does last night stop any talk of taking Ayton off PHX's hands? I assume so since previous discussions included the just-used #10 pick and now there seems to be a logjam at the 5 spot.

Or do you offer Holmes + ???? (THJ?, Reggie?). I don't think that will get anywhere, and I'll be happy talking about the potential of all the new faces from last night's results.

I think if they were going to dump him it would have happened during the draft
Bet the suns will just go with the top loaded team they have now and try to fill in with as many ring chasing vets as possible

[KillerLeft]

Really stupid question here, but it's been a looong week...

Does last night stop any talk of taking Ayton off PHX's hands? I assume so since previous discussions included the just-used #10 pick and now there seems to be a logjam at the 5 spot.

Or do you offer Holmes + ???? (THJ?, Reggie?). I don't think that will get anywhere, and I'll be happy talking about the potential of all the new faces from last night's results.

No idea if Holmes being here puts an end to Ayton pursuit (assuming that was ever a thing, which I sincerely hope it was not), but I'm reasonably confident that Holmes is not a fit for PHX. 

He's a pick and roll big. Dallas is a pick and roll team. PHX is actively moving away from pick and roll basketball by adding Durant and replacing Chris Paul, the best pick and roll bal-handler of all time, with Beal. I assume they'd have very little interest in Holmes.

[dirkfansince1998]

No idea if Holmes being here puts an end to Ayton pursuit (assuming that was ever a thing, which I sincerely hope it was not), but I'm reasonably confident that Holmes is not a fit for PHX. 

He's a pick and roll big. Dallas is a pick and roll team. PHX is actively moving away from pick and roll basketball by adding Durant and replacing Chris Paul, the best pick and roll bal-handler of all time, with Beal. I assume they'd have very little interest in Holmes.

I expect something that resembles the PG/Kawhi Clippers. No real PG. Beal, Booker and Durant taking turns. Lots of iso-ball. High midrange volume. With Ayton as a glorified garbage man.

[mvossman]

I´m getting giddy about the Wizards possibilities.

We could really use a veteran pass first PG on a reasonable contract to guide Jaden Hardy on the 2nd unit.

Hello Monte Morris and Ty Jones.

We could really use a complementary PF/C to Dereck Lively that is on a good long-term contract and lines up age-wise with the younger core.

HELLO Daniel Gafford.

Feels like an 2027 unprotected 1st would be an overpay for Gafford/Morris even with Bullock/McGee going the other way. But let´s say that´s the win now price.

I feel that is smart roster construction and a nice balance between winning now and building for the future.

Don't see Gafford as anything but a 5, and don't want to spend any more of our limited assets on a 5.  We don't have a starting 4 and if we are going to send out 2027, it almost has to be for a forward.

[mvossman]

Really stupid question here, but it's been a looong week...

Does last night stop any talk of taking Ayton off PHX's hands? I assume so since previous discussions included the just-used #10 pick and now there seems to be a logjam at the 5 spot.

Or do you offer Holmes + ???? (THJ?, Reggie?). I don't think that will get anywhere, and I'll be happy talking about the potential of all the new faces from last night's results.

I think Lively puts an end to Ayton talk.  You want him getting at least 20 minutes a game by his second year, and more than that in his third.  Ayton's contract runs through the next three years.  Makes no sense to spend a lottery pick and 100 mil contract for the same position.

[Jym]

Don't see Gafford as anything but a 5, and don't want to spend any more of our limited assets on a 5.  We don't have a starting 4 and if we are going to send out 2027, it almost has to be for a forward.

Yeah Center isn't pretty at the moment but I feel like we're pretty set there for the time being unless we get a couple months into the season and the guys we have are just unplayable
Even then forward seems like it would be more of a concern