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AROUND the NBA: CLE Coach Search Between Atkinson+Borrego
(06-20-2024, 07:53 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Giddey´s peak season was 17/8/6 shooting 48/33/73. Giddey is 21.
Green´s peak season was 9/3/2 shooting 54/40/72. Green is 23.

Yeah I think a player that is two years younger and doubles your averages over a season has a slightly higher trade value. 

I actually think OKC might regret this trade. They basically gave into the public opinion that Giddey was unplayable thanks to what the Mavs did. 

They dumped a 21 year old averaging 9/4/2 in 18 MPG in his first play-offs, cause the Mavs played him off the court in ONE play-off series and the media jumped on it.

Fun facts: Giddy shot 35% from three in the play-offs. Holmgren shot 26%. Giddey shot 50% from three on 4.5 attempts in the first round of the play-offs.

Bad idea to trade a 21 year old player based on one play-off series, when one team f***** with his young head. I guarantee you the Mavs will try the same approach with Caruso and say prove it.

They traded for Caruso for his defense, he's clearly better than Giddey on that end. Not because he's lights out from 3. With him, J Will, Dort, and Cason they are trying to replicate Boston in some form. All they need now is another big.
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(06-20-2024, 07:53 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Giddey´s peak season was 17/8/6 shooting 48/33/73. Giddey is 21.
Green´s peak season was 9/3/2 shooting 54/40/72. Green is 23.

Yeah I think a player that is two years younger and doubles your averages over a season has a slightly higher trade value. 

I actually think OKC might regret this trade. They basically gave into the public opinion that Giddey was unplayable thanks to what the Mavs did. 

They dumped a 21 year old averaging 9/4/2 in 18 MPG in his first play-offs, cause the Mavs played him off the court in ONE play-off series and the media jumped on it.

Fun facts: Giddy shot 35% from three in the play-offs. Holmgren shot 26%. Giddey shot 50% from three on 4.5 attempts in the first round of the play-offs.

Bad idea to trade a 21 year old player based on one play-off series, when one team f***** with his young head. I guarantee you the Mavs will try the same approach with Caruso and say prove it.


The thing with OKC is that they have a kind of limited funds, while they usually have an eye for talent in the draft. 
So, were they going to give Giddy his extension just a year before Chet signs his? the answer is no.
Giddy was in the Harden situation, except he is unlikely to be ever half the player. 
OKC was never going to see the peak of Giddy, and they did a good trade based on that tbh
It is a win win sitaution for both sides.
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(06-21-2024, 01:15 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: The thing with OKC is that they have a kind of limited funds, while they usually have an eye for talent in the draft. 
So, were they going to give Giddy his extension just a year before Chet signs his? the answer is no.
Giddy was in the Harden situation, except he is unlikely to be ever half the player. 
OKC was never going to see the peak of Giddy, and they did a good trade based on that tbh
It is a win win sitaution for both sides.


How did you come to the conclusion they have limited funds?   They have two 1st's this year but may end up with just one at 12, three 1st's in 25 and three more in 26.  They have plenty of capitol to do more trades I would think.
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To me, unless he is a valid star, OKC can afford to trade out young players for whatever they can get. Their problem is finding a home for all the draft picks they have accumulated over the next few years.

They have one FRP, #12 via HOU, this year. Depending on protections, they have as many as 5 FRP and 2 SRP next year. One FRP and 3 SRP in 2026 and 3 FRP and 2 SRP in 2027. A total of about 35 picks through 2030. With a contending roster, there is no way they have a home for all those picks. 

They have so many, they could just sell them for cash, I guess. But bringing picks back, unless the 2031 or beyond, is not going to help.
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(06-21-2024, 02:22 PM)HoosierDaddyKidd Wrote: How did you come to the conclusion they have limited funds?   They have two 1st's this year but may end up with just one at 12, three 1st's in 25 and three more in 26.  They have plenty of capitol to do more trades I would think.

He is talking about a small market willingness to spend big money in tax, not asset poor.
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(06-21-2024, 02:22 PM)HoosierDaddyKidd Wrote: How did you come to the conclusion they have limited funds?   They have two 1st's this year but may end up with just one at 12, three 1st's in 25 and three more in 26.  They have plenty of capitol to do more trades I would think.

As mvossman said, I am talking about their willingness to pay tax. This was the reaon they traded Harden over a decade ago. I doubt they would be willing to do the it now. Not for Giddy at least.
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(06-21-2024, 02:49 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: As mvossman said, I am talking about their willingness to pay tax. This was the reaon they traded Harden over a decade ago. I doubt they would be willing to do the it now. Not for Giddy at least.


Ok. Thanks for clarifying.
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Brandon “Scoop B” Robinson (@ScoopB)
NBA Champ & Celtics assistant Sam Cassell tells me he wants to become a head coach in the NBA.

Cavs coaching search is neck and neck with Kenny Atkinson and James Borrego.

Atkinson coached Jarrett Allen & Caris LeVert in Brooklyn.

My intel with @nypostsports x @SNYtv.
14x All-Star, 12x all-NBA, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 1 NBA Championship: Dirk Nowitzki, the man, the myth, the legend.
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(56 minutes ago)SleepingHero Wrote: Brandon “Scoop B” Robinson (@ScoopB)
NBA Champ & Celtics assistant Sam Cassell tells me he wants to become a head coach in the NBA.

Cavs coaching search is neck and neck with Kenny Atkinson and James Borrego.

Atkinson coached Jarrett Allen & Caris LeVert in Brooklyn.

My intel with @nypostsports x @SNYtv.

I actually like Borrego.
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(51 minutes ago)KillerLeft Wrote: I actually like Borrego.


I don't know, he was so-so with Charlotte, even though they've had a flawed roster at the time. Some coaches just make better assistants.  Atkinson actually over saw some improvement with the Nets when he was coach.
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(27 minutes ago)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: I don't know, he was so-so with Charlotte, even though they've had a flawed roster at the time. Some coaches just make better assistants.  Atkinson actually over saw some improvement with the Nets when he was coach.

Atkiinson does a nice job with young teams. Unfortunately, being good at that can get you slotted. I like him, too, but Borrego would be guy if I'm in Cleveland's shoes. 

They need to figure out what's going on with Mitchell before doing anything, imo. If I'm interviewing for that job, I need to know what I'm getting into.
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