11-10-2023, 08:20 PM
(11-10-2023, 11:38 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'm just going off of results, and all of those guys have won more than RC has done in years. Since 2012, Carlisle has had 1 50 win season, has made the playoffs 6/13 years and has never made it out of the 1st round since 2012!
Lue won with the Cavs and commanded a legendary 3-1 comeback against one of the greatest teams of all time. You mention injuries with the Clippers, yet he's still managed to get them to a WCF appearance just 2 years ago.
You're weighing heavily Carlisle's ability to win with subpar talent, yet he still hasn't won more than any of the coaches above for the last decade.
And Kidd might definitely be an asshole, but he at least knows how to ingratiate himself with his star players and manage motley personalities. RC's personality has definitely cost him chances to win. I can't say the same about Kidd.
I think Ty Lue is a good coach. His championship though was won with a 57-win team featuring 3 elite players including Lebron (the greatest player in the world at the time). That wasn't some Cinderella story. Good win but it doesn't compare to the 2011 Mavericks who were a genuine underdog. Defeating prime Lebron, Wade and Bosh with Dirk and some good role players was one of the great coaching feats in modern basketball.
I absolutely think the definition of a good coach is to overachieve based on the talent on the roster. Carlisle's lack of playoff success after 2011 was the result of Cuban's absolute failure as a General Manager. Every off-season of ineptitude left Carlisle with not only weak rosters but constantly shuffling rosters. Cuban failed post-2011. Carlisle did not.
Nevertheless, Carlisle still won a lot of games despite some really bad rosters. As a few examples,
In 2013-2014, we won 49 games with Samuel Dalembert and Jose Calderon as two of our starters.
In 2014-2015, we won 50 games with Monta Ellis as our leading scorer.
Those were virtuoso coaching performances.
I don't know if Rick Carlisle is a nice person or not. I think he doesn't really care that much if his players like him or not. I'm not sure whether he and Kyrie Irving would get along or not. I suppose we'll never know.
However, Rick Carlisle did a lot for the Mavericks and he is absolutely a top-5 coach in the NBA.