TDL Archived: The 2nd Rnd Pick Yankee Swap

[DanSchwartzgan]

I like your creativity.

Doing a Turner renegotiation-and-extend would definitely factor into a Collins-to-Indy deal which uses Indy cap room. But that Turner situation can go into so many different results - it can become a huge raise with a declining year-over-year, a not as big raise with an increasing year-over-year, or it could even end as a decision to (try to) sign him in the summer instead. Or, it could lead to Turner saying no to everything, and then getting traded (although, while an extend-and-trade is allowed, he can't be traded with an extension that starts with a renegotiation). Or maybe Indy lands on a decision to try to sign-and-trade him in the summer (using Bird rights and hoping for multiple suitors) and get value that way.

My point is, as complex as the Turner situation is, I think that decision is what happens FIRST for Indy. That then defines how much cap room they might have left for a Collins pursuit, and impacts how that might look. But until Turner decision is in their past, I don't think they will want to use a giant chunk of cap room for a Collins deal, lest it make the Turner situation even harder to navigate.

All of that impacts what a team might be able to extract from the Pacers, having a feel for what they are trying to do overall.

Unfortunately, if the Mavs want to get a really good deal out of this, I think the Indy situation is several layers too complex for Cuban to negotiate successfully.

Thanks.  They have been in talks with Duffy and Co., so Indy probably has a pretty good idea what number it would take to make them happy.

I listen with interest to Carlisle talking about no desire to trade Turner and wonder who his intended audience is.  It certainly could be the media and other teams, but I wonder if he's not talking to his own front office who so far hasn't gotten the job done with Turner.  Indy is about $15mm under the floor.  Seems they could at least use that money up now in a renegotiation with Turner.  That gets him to $33mm this season and you figure out where to go from there.

If they use the $15mm to get to the floor that way, there is still $12mm or so under the cap to work with on a Collins deal.   So, they need to send out $11.5mm or more in a deal for Collins using space instead of trade matching.  That isn't hard to do at all with some to Dallas and potentially some to Atlanta (Collins for LeVert leaves Atlanta $5.9mm under the tax).  I think even Cuban could figure this out.  But if not, didn't he hire some fancy-pants cap expert when Nico came on-board?