TDL Archived: The 2nd Rnd Pick Yankee Swap

[KillerLeft]

I think the asking price of 3 1sts and John Collins highlights how unrealistic it would be to think expirings plus picks could get you there.

I think there were two, separate rumors: one suggesting the asking prices was in the 3 picks range, and another claiming there have been discussions involving Murray for Collins. 

I would be shocked if the price was Collins + 3 picks. That would be the same as saying "yeah, we don't want to trade him."

[mvossman]

No argument that Jrue would be ideal. To me, Dejounte Murray is a younger Jrue in many ways. Regarding trading for such a piece, I think the asking price of 3 1sts and John Collins highlights how unrealistic it would be to think expirings plus picks could get you there.

Jrue is actually a better fit than Murray.  He is a better perimeter defender (Murry is still good) and a much better perimeter shooter.  Murray is a better distributer and rebounder, but that is not as necessary next to Luka.  

No way they are getting Collins and 3 firsts.  I think those were two separate tweets.  Its not asking prices you need to compare to (which are generally higher than what is actually achieved), its actual trades that you should use for comps.

As an example, next offseason somebody like Siakam, who will be expiring and 37 mil will not cost more assets than we have.  Assuming Toronto sends Anunoby out soon they will likely be in rebuild mode.  Expiring salary filler and a couple of firsts would probably be enough.  There are plenty of other options like this.

[MrGoat]

Great player, but...A BAG OF PEANUTS???? 

It was a huge package. Huge. Way, WAY more than Dallas could offer at the time, draft capital wise.

What the hell is he talking about. Milwaukee also gave up four 1sts for Holiday, and some seconds with some pick swaps in New Orleans' favor. Had Milwaukee not had such injury luck that one year they would be getting destroyed for making that trade and Budenholzer would have been canned

[ItsGoTime]

Thought I remember reading Collins and draft considerations. That’s not saying 3 firsts though.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

https://nypost.com/2022/06/25/jalen-brun...to-knicks/

[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/...1656756228

[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/basketbllnews/status...6000996354

[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1541166000107687936

[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/NBA_University/statu...8384458752

[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/statu...7877612544

[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/statu...3171896321

[Chicagojk]

https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/statu...7877612544

We don't have the assets for Collins, I believe.  But a Wood/Collins front court with Maxi off the bench and Dwight as your fourth big would be pretty exciting to think about.  I haven't given it much thought but Woods and Collins could be pretty fantastic, right?

[SleepingHero]

We don't have the assets for Collins, I believe.  But a Wood/Collins front court with Maxi off the bench and Dwight as your fourth big would be pretty exciting to think about.  I haven't given it much thought but Woods and Collins could be pretty fantastic, right?

Basically no rim protection in that lineup at all. Boxing out would be a concern as well since both Wood and Collins have the potential to be abused on the boards

[KillerLeft]

Basically no rim protection in that lineup at all. Boxing out would be a concern as well since both Wood and Collins have the potential to be abused on the boards

To me, the issue is that both are offense-first types, and actually in very similar ways. I think Woods is more of a 5 and Collins is more of a 4, but it doesn't matter because they'd both want to have the same role within the offense. Neither would be happy with their role if it was equal with the other. Or, one would be VERY unhappy if the other got the lion's share of the role. 

Pretty redundant. 

I think Collins might be the safer play, consistency wise, but if the Mavs can get Wood's best I think he's the more imposing, offensively.

[omahen]

We don't have the assets for Collins, I believe.  But a Wood/Collins front court with Maxi off the bench and Dwight as your fourth big would be pretty exciting to think about.  I haven't given it much thought but Woods and Collins could be pretty fantastic, right?

I thought that too, but there are rumors that SA actually doesn't want Collins in the Murray trade, because they want to be really bad for a shot at Wembanyana. So there are some rumors that a third team could be involved, probably paying picks to SA. 

I agree with Killer though, I also don't see how Wood and Collins could work. Same skills/role on offense and both under average defenders.

[Mavsfan12]

I thought that too, but there are rumors that SA actually doesn't want Collins in the Murray trade, because they want to be really bad for a shot at Wembanyana. So there are some rumors that a third team could be involved, probably paying picks to SA. 

I agree with Killer though, I also don't see how Wood and Collins could work. Same skills/role on offense and both under average defenders.

I would acquire the talent and figure it out later.  It's not like either of them are on a contract that would be hard to move.  Mavs should be all in on premium talent acquisition.  I still think that they need to end up with some semblance of a defensive presence at C, but not afraid to take steps to get there.  Its a marathon, not a sprint.

[Kammrath]

Basically no rim protection in that lineup at all. Boxing out would be a concern as well since both Wood and Collins have the potential to be abused on the boards

This is not true. 

Both JC and CW have career block percentages of 3.1%. This isn't elite, but those are good percentages and only Maxi has a better percent on the Mavs.

Also, CW has a career 27.3% DRBD rate....22.0% for JC.  That means CW rebounds better than Luka (!) and JC rebounds better than anyone else on the Mavs roster.

[cow]

Also, CW has a career 27.3% DRBD rate....22.0% for JC.  That means CW rebounds better than Luka (!) and JC rebounds better than anyone else on the Mavs roster.

I think people forget how terrible Powell and Maxi are on the glass.

[KillerLeft]

I think people forget how terrible Powell and Maxi are on the glass.

Yes, I disagree with a lot of the complaints against those guys, but they aren’t good rebounders, that’s for sure.

[cow]

Yes, I disagree with a lot of the complaints against those guys, but they aren’t good rebounders, that’s for sure.

I'm pretty sure Wiggins in game 1 had nearly double the rebounds that Powell had the entire series.