(11-04-2019, 01:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote: I love Boban. I was just getting giddy watching his highlights. But you guys are leaning so hard in one direction in this discussion that you're not even considering why we might be keeping him in the back pocket a bit. I threw at out one theory above. Another thing to consider is that a KP/Boban would most likely get torched against a good 4-out or 5-out lineup. Maybe we'd outscore them anyway, maybe not.
I want Bobi to play. I especially want him to contribute at key times, especially in the playoffs, but in a one sided discussion like this I'm compelled to suggest that there are considerations other than just "he should play".
The 5-out rotations and even more that strong PnR offense can both be examples where Boban and KP/Boban combinations have problems. I do like them together sometimes though because I find KP can play like a 7'3" PF or even a 7'3" small forward and he can also block shots much better than Boban.
Boban on the other hand can body up much better against Physical play than KP.
Using Boban is definitely a chess match between coaches. Doc Rivers had a great commentary on what he thought about using Boban against the obvious stretch BIG and 5-out rotations opponents use to drive him off the floor.
He basically said he like to roll him out and see which way the match up went because in that case it could go either way. If your guy(s) are hitting their shots then maybe Boban is getting in and getting back out quickly.
This happened in the Philly vs. Toronto playoff series last season. Boban had been good against the Nets but against the Raptors he was getting killed in the PnR. I think part of the issue was because they weren't feeding him the ball on offense so they were giving up but not taking anything back but either way, Coach Brown pulled the Boban Plug on that one. I thought they should have run more offense for him to offset defensive issues after all that series came down to just a single bucket or two, but I get giving up on it as well.
On the other hand opponents are not always on fire outside or even in the PnR.
If Boban is holding his own defensively and meanwhile eating inside and getting to the line (solid free throw shooter) and getting your BIGS and your team in foul trouble then he might easily be taking more then he's giving.
(11-04-2019, 01:43 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: One thing I know for certain is Don Nelson (Sr) would start Boban Marjanovich.
Interesting quote from the fivethirtyeight article referenced above: "But [Boban's] situation as a historically efficient scorer who still doesn’t see consistent playing time also speaks to how the abundance of perimeter shooting in today’s NBA has made life nearly impossible for rim-protecting 7-footers who lack the mobility to come out and defend past the free-throw line."
Carlisle made a point in his post-game to talk about how well Boban was defending guys on the perimeter vs CLE.
Maybe Carlisle is himself intrigued ....
(awesome discussion on the old board by the way)
That's a good take I think. Carlisle seems at least intrigued by what he can do with Boban and with the KP/Boban giant pairing.
One thing for sure, Luka Doncic knows what to do with each of them, and that is great for Dallas if Carlisle will get Boban in the mix because we know KP will get his minutes.
If you ever read or listen to some of Bobans comment on basketball, his BBIQ is very solid. He knows his own weaknesses, he knows what can do with PnR and what his limits are even though he can only be so fast of foot physically. He knows he has a massive wingspan to he can try and at least bother shots from a longer distance away.
He seems to have gotten better about challenging out at the 3 point line as you mention, so if the defense calls for him to come all the way out and guard the stretch 5, he will.
His lack of aggression to block and put a body on guys that drives to the hoop sometimes aggravates me to watch. Guys sometimes drive to the hoop too freely when Boban should just lay some wood on them as he at least attempts a strong block, but that just doesn't seem to be in his nature to do.