06-03-2022, 08:29 AM
So, with dad joining the Knick’s staff, maybe we should model this out so we can see how a NY S&T might work…just in case. I’ll take a stab and hopefully there won’t be too many cap mistakes. First, we have to pick a starting number for Brunson. I’m going to use $22mm as it seems to be in the middle of the range most often talked about. Brunson would count as $22mm incoming to NY. The Knicks would have to send out (not all to Dallas necessarily) at least $17mm using the $5mm trade spread rule.
Brunson counts $11mm as outgoing from Dallas. Currently, Dallas is limited to 125% plus $100k and can’t use the $5mm trade spread. So, $13.85 is the most we can take back for just Brunson if he starts at $22mm. Those amounts don’t “cross”, so even if you could come up with the exact contracts to get to $17mm coming from NY, you can’t get there. This is why you often hear about S&T’s needing a third team to work.
Next step is to add some players to try to bridge the gap. If NY had a player or two who made/combined for just under $13.85mm they could send that combo to Dallas and another player who bridges the gap to a third team. That doesn’t exactly do anything to compensate Dallas though unless there is a pick coming back. So, we will park, but not discard that idea.
Instead, let’s see what happens if Dallas adds a player(s). Brown makes a round $3mm, so the math is easy. The Dallas outgoing with the 125% for Brunson/Brown moves to $17.6mm. Brown plus Brunson count as $25mm as NY’s incoming. They have to send at least $19.9mm out. The spread got tighter, but we still don’t quite match if you are trying to do this as a two-team deal. However, if you send Brown to a third team Dallas still gets to count the $17.6mm outgoing, but we go back to the $17mm incoming from NY. Those numbers cross and we have a range for NY to hit in terms of what they send here. The key is finding a third team to take one of our smaller salary guys. BTW, yes we could send out a larger salary like THJ instead of Brown. That would be the technique for expanding the deal into something that brings back a larger salary to “star” to Dallas without the third team needing to absorb as much salary.
Now let’s look at some NY salaries. Is there a combo from NY that falls between $17mm and $17.6mm. BTW, I don’t think this happens based on incoming NY talent (if it happens at all). NY can get cap room. They will have to pay to get it, so the negotiation for Dallas starts at what it takes for NY to create cap space. That is probably an expiring vet or two, a youngster and a pick. If the Brunson S&T gets much more expensive than that, NY will just go the cap room route. The main benefit to playing along with a S&T is Dallas getting its 2023 pick back which frees the pursuit of bigger name guys.
Yes, there are combo’s that fall within the required range. I think you start with one of Rose ($14.5mm), Burks ($10.2mm), Kemba ($9.2mm) or Noel ($9.2mm). All are either expiring or TO’s for 2023. If it is any of the last three, you add one of the $5mm-ish guys (Reddish, Toppin or Gibson) and one of the $2mm-ish guys (Quickley, Grimes or McBride). So, for fun let’s do Burks, Gibson and Grimes. They combine for $17.44mm, so NY can take back as much as $22.54mm which fits the starting number we picked for Brunson. Dallas, again, is sending Brunson to NY and Brown to a third team. They count as $17.6mm as outgoing. Add in the 2023 pick and you have a framework.
Obviously this can be adjusted by playing around with Brunson’s number if you want a different grouping. You could also send out a second small salary guy like Chriss to provide additional flexibility. But, this is probably the neighborhood we are talking about for a Brunson S&T. It isn’t equal value. It was NEVER GOING TO BE. Some of what you are getting is useful (either to Dallas or to another team in an expanded deal that brings a star to Dallas). The key to me is getting a tradable 2023 pick which opens our trove of picks for a ____________ trade (fill in your favorite star).
Brunson counts $11mm as outgoing from Dallas. Currently, Dallas is limited to 125% plus $100k and can’t use the $5mm trade spread. So, $13.85 is the most we can take back for just Brunson if he starts at $22mm. Those amounts don’t “cross”, so even if you could come up with the exact contracts to get to $17mm coming from NY, you can’t get there. This is why you often hear about S&T’s needing a third team to work.
Next step is to add some players to try to bridge the gap. If NY had a player or two who made/combined for just under $13.85mm they could send that combo to Dallas and another player who bridges the gap to a third team. That doesn’t exactly do anything to compensate Dallas though unless there is a pick coming back. So, we will park, but not discard that idea.
Instead, let’s see what happens if Dallas adds a player(s). Brown makes a round $3mm, so the math is easy. The Dallas outgoing with the 125% for Brunson/Brown moves to $17.6mm. Brown plus Brunson count as $25mm as NY’s incoming. They have to send at least $19.9mm out. The spread got tighter, but we still don’t quite match if you are trying to do this as a two-team deal. However, if you send Brown to a third team Dallas still gets to count the $17.6mm outgoing, but we go back to the $17mm incoming from NY. Those numbers cross and we have a range for NY to hit in terms of what they send here. The key is finding a third team to take one of our smaller salary guys. BTW, yes we could send out a larger salary like THJ instead of Brown. That would be the technique for expanding the deal into something that brings back a larger salary to “star” to Dallas without the third team needing to absorb as much salary.
Now let’s look at some NY salaries. Is there a combo from NY that falls between $17mm and $17.6mm. BTW, I don’t think this happens based on incoming NY talent (if it happens at all). NY can get cap room. They will have to pay to get it, so the negotiation for Dallas starts at what it takes for NY to create cap space. That is probably an expiring vet or two, a youngster and a pick. If the Brunson S&T gets much more expensive than that, NY will just go the cap room route. The main benefit to playing along with a S&T is Dallas getting its 2023 pick back which frees the pursuit of bigger name guys.
Yes, there are combo’s that fall within the required range. I think you start with one of Rose ($14.5mm), Burks ($10.2mm), Kemba ($9.2mm) or Noel ($9.2mm). All are either expiring or TO’s for 2023. If it is any of the last three, you add one of the $5mm-ish guys (Reddish, Toppin or Gibson) and one of the $2mm-ish guys (Quickley, Grimes or McBride). So, for fun let’s do Burks, Gibson and Grimes. They combine for $17.44mm, so NY can take back as much as $22.54mm which fits the starting number we picked for Brunson. Dallas, again, is sending Brunson to NY and Brown to a third team. They count as $17.6mm as outgoing. Add in the 2023 pick and you have a framework.
Obviously this can be adjusted by playing around with Brunson’s number if you want a different grouping. You could also send out a second small salary guy like Chriss to provide additional flexibility. But, this is probably the neighborhood we are talking about for a Brunson S&T. It isn’t equal value. It was NEVER GOING TO BE. Some of what you are getting is useful (either to Dallas or to another team in an expanded deal that brings a star to Dallas). The key to me is getting a tradable 2023 pick which opens our trove of picks for a ____________ trade (fill in your favorite star).
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